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Old 06-02-2016, 10:04 AM   #1
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Alex threw for 290 and 386 yards when we were getting our shit pushed in by Green Bay and Cincinatti early last year. If he averaged those yardage totals over the course of a season, he'd have over 5400 passing yards. Lol.



If we had sucked all year, his yards, TDs, and INTs would have all likely been up from where they were.



Let's see if Bortles can play with a lead.

Yeah, and in those games he threw 85 passes and could only muster 1 TD with an INT to go along with it.

Aside from that, in the other blowouts/convincing losses that I mentioned he didn't do much to pad his stats, which was my main point. 230, 153, 202, and 153 yards in the other games I brought up.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:10 AM   #2
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CP clearly hasn't watched Bortles and the Jags much. I don't think you guys are aware just how good Robinson and Hurns are, and how bad Bortles was for the most part in 2015.

Luck would probably have had a 45 TD season with that schedule they had and Robinson/Hurns (not to mention Julius Thomas for half the season too).
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:19 AM   #3
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CP clearly hasn't watched Bortles and the Jags much. I don't think you guys are aware just how good Robinson and Hurns are, and how bad Bortles was for the most part in 2015.

Luck would probably have had a 45 TD season with that schedule they had and Robinson/Hurns (not to mention Julius Thomas for half the season too).
If Lee can become the player he is that will be another good WR but he nothing but a 3rd or 4th WR.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:23 AM   #4
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If Lee can become the player he is that will be another good WR but he nothing but a 3rd or 4th WR.
Yeah, but their offensive line SUCKS, like really bad. Black Bortles is where JJ Watt gets his 3 1/2 sack games all the time....
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:27 AM   #5
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If Lee can become the player he is that will be another good WR but he nothing but a 3rd or 4th WR.
I think Lee's one more disappointing season away from officially being a bust. Rashad Greene might take that #3 spot from him.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:27 AM   #6
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CP clearly hasn't watched Bortles and the Jags much. I don't think you guys are aware just how good Robinson and Hurns are, and how bad Bortles was for the most part in 2015.

Luck would probably have had a 45 TD season with that schedule they had and Robinson/Hurns (not to mention Julius Thomas for half the season too).
The Jags put everything on Bortles. Their defense sucked, their OL gave up 50 sacks and their rushing attack was 27th with 5 TD's and 1,473 yards.

Alex had a top 10 D, an improving line (only 26 sacks given up in last 12 games of regular season) and a top 10 rushing attack that scored 4X as many TD's and almost 1 YPC more than the Jags.

You put Alex in a situation where everything is on him for a full season and he fails miserably.
Bortles needs to work on his turnovers, but there's no doubt that what he brings to the table is more valuable than what Alex does.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:34 AM   #7
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The Jags put everything on Bortles. Their defense sucked, their OL gave up 50 sacks and their rushing attack was 27th with 5 TD's and 1,473 yards.

Alex had a top 10 D, an improving line (only 26 sacks given up in last 12 games of regular season) and a top 10 rushing attack that scored 4X as many TD's and almost 1 YPC more than the Jags.

You put Alex in a situation where everything is on him for a full season and he fails miserably.
Bortles needs to work on his turnovers, but there's no doubt that what he brings to the table is more valuable than what Alex does.
What does Alex Smith have to do with Bortles? All I said was that 205 Bortles was not better than 2015 Smith. That's it. I fully expect Bortles to be better than Alex in two more years if he progresses, and I'd obviously take him long term.

As for 2016, with our division, the NFCN, and the Bengals & Ravens on their schedule I expect him to go backwards before he moves forward. That is a completely different schedule than what they had in 2015.

Also, again it wasn't all on Bortles. He has one of the leagues best WR duos along with some other solid weapons in the passing game. They made a ton of plays for him.
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Old 06-02-2016, 03:39 PM   #8
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CP clearly hasn't watched Bortles and the Jags much. I don't think you guys are aware just how good Robinson and Hurns are, and how bad Bortles was for the most part in 2015.

Luck would probably have had a 45 TD season with that schedule they had and Robinson/Hurns (not to mention Julius Thomas for half the season too).
Obviously it's not just CP that holds this opinion considering where Bortles landed on this list.
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Obviously it's not just CP that holds this opinion considering where Bortles landed on this list.
And it got more backlash than any of the rest so far...

You aren't telling me anything I don't know. Most of you just clearly did not watch Bortles. I know quite a few Jags fans and they'd tell you themselves he has a long way to go. He was downright terrible at times.

I mean everybody on this board respects Sorter's opinions, he said he watched 6 games and while he was great at times, he was terrible at others. He's not there yet, that's all I'm saying. It is way too early to be calling him a fringe top 50 overall player.
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And it got more backlash than any of the rest so far...

You aren't telling me anything I don't know. Most of you just clearly did not watch Bortles. I know quite a few Jags fans and they'd tell you themselves he has a long way to go. He was downright terrible at times.

I mean everybody on this board respects Sorter's opinions, he said he watched 6 games and while he was great at times, he was terrible at others. He's not there yet, that's all I'm saying. It is way too early to be calling him a fringe top 50 overall player.
32 NFL teams get to pick 2 guys a piece to start the season with their franchise. 64 players get taken; you don't think Bortles is in the top 64? Some team won't make him one of their two picks?

I feel like I just described one of those poll games around here during the offseason with the 7593 heats
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32 NFL teams get to pick 2 guys a piece to start the season with their franchise. 64 players get taken; you don't think Bortles is in the top 64? Some team won't make him one of their two picks?

I feel like I just described one of those poll games around here during the offseason with the 7593 heats
Yes, but that is because of projection. What he can be. Not what he was 2015, or today.

I've already said it, but I loved Bortles coming out and he was my #1 QB, so I'm not dissing him at all. The simple truth is the guy has all the tools to be a great QB, but he still has a long way to go.
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That team is bad.

Only 92 rushing YPG and 5 rushing TDs on the season (2 of those TDs came from Bortles himself).

28 PPG given up by the defense.

Bortles couldn't afford to play like Alex does. Even in games in which he balls out they tend to only eek wins out by 3 points or less.

Completes 70% of his passes for 303 yards with 4 TDs and 1 INTs. No fumbles. They lose 31-38.

Completes 67% of his passes for 322 yards with 5 TDs and 0 INTs. No fumbles. They lose 39-42.
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So, we are just expecting one more, with Houston? Or is he not included since this is a forward-looking list and noone knew if he would be available?
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So, we are just expecting one more, with Houston? Or is he not included since this is a forward-looking list and noone knew if he would be available?
He's on it. We have 9 and only 8 have gone so far.

Should have 10 with Poe IMO, but interior DL doesn't get a lot of love in these things.
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Should have 10 with Poe IMO, but interior DL doesn't get a lot of love in these things.
Agreed.. too bad.
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