Football NFL Possibly considering forcing Chargers to Move Back to San Diego? - Page 15

**morphius** · 03-10-2021, 08:23 AM

I always kind of figured they would be the team to go to Mexico City, if we ever go that route. Though I'd be hard pressed to tell a bunch of Americans to move their families there at this time.

Mennonite · 03-10-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN

No US city could do an NFL team. without spoiling loyalties to another.

Canada? No. They have their own football.

So that leaves London, Mexico City or Cairo.

The Atlantis Chargers. It's time to dump this garbage franchise into the ****ing ocean.

Frazod · 03-10-2021, 12:12 PM

Here's what I'd do if it was up to me.

1. Force that asshat Spanos to sell the Chargers, and send them back to San Diego under new, community-based ownership. Build them a new stadium at league expense to soothe fanbase butthurt. They could play at a college stadium until the new facility is completed.

2. Relocate the Raiders to L.A., where they actually have a ready fanbase.

3. Use the Vegas Stadium to host one game per week, preferably a marquis matchup. Since they are now going to a 17 game season, this could be done without stealing an extra home game from anybody. Perhaps they could even make it the permanent home of the Super Bowl.

4. No more games in London or Mexico City. **** that shit.

Of course, none of these things will actually happen.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-10-2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

Of course, none of these things will actually happen.

Agreed.

Los Angeles does not want the Raiders, specifically, their fan base, and fought hard to exclude them from the AEG/Staples Center deal and the Carson proposal.

The only community based team in the NFL is the Packers and the NFL has a bylaw against that now, so they'll always be unique.

I just don't know of a municipality that would support the Chargers. Maybe St. Louis, but it would take a new ownership group, a new team name and a wealthy owner willing to make not only a $2 billion dollar investment in the team but at least another billion for a stadium.

That's a big ask for a smaller market.

Plus, there's the pesky Spanos family, which absolutely refuses to sell and has no money to build their own stadium. They're also locked into a 30 year lease at Kroenke World, although I'd think the NFL would help them dig out of that if there was a community willing to embrace the Chargers.

I just get the feeling that no one wants them.

**Bowser** · 03-10-2021, 12:56 PM

I bet someone would want them pretty quickly if you scraped the Spanos barnacles off of the team. The Spanos' are basically Marge Schott-ing the team without all the racial blasts - just totally screwing up a sure thing. It's fascinating to watch, really.

I actually like Fraz's idea of turning the Vegas stadium into a game of the week matchup site. Rotate it evenly between all the various networks and profit. Vegas during the NFL season would become even more of a destination every weekend than it is now. It's kind of a shame they won't consider it.

Deberg_1990 · 03-10-2021, 01:06 PM

Why are we wanting to move the Raiders out of Vegas already?

The people haven’t been given a chance yet to show if they will support them.

The only place that the Chargers name holds any value is San Diego. Shame on the NFL and the Spanos that they can’t make it work there somehow.

Frazod · 03-10-2021, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why are we wanting to move the Raiders out of Vegas already?

The people haven’t been given a chance yet to show if they will support them.

The only place that the Chargers name holds any value is San Diego. Shame on the NFL and the Spanos that they can’t make it work there somehow.

The Raiders got a year reprieve because of covid, but I still think having a franchise in the gambling/partying/hookers capital of America will be a disaster. Just too many bad things tempting a bunch of young dumb alphas sitting on mountains of cash. I mean, it's the Raiders, so from that perspective I don't mind, but ultimately it's going to be bad for everybody.

I also think that the Raiders have played their last home game. Opposing fans will schedule vacations around their teams playing there, and there will be enough non-Raider fans who'll go just because they want to take in a game that their own base will be drowned out. Also, I don't see the hardcore meatheads from the black hole making it down from Oakland very often.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-10-2021, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

The Raiders got a year reprieve because of covid, but I still think having a franchise in the gambling/partying/hookers capital of America will be a disaster. Just too many bad things tempting a bunch of young dumb alphas sitting on mountains of cash. I mean, it's the Raiders, so from that perspective I don't mind, but ultimately it's going to be bad for everybody.

I also think that the Raiders have played their last home game. Opposing fans will schedule vacations around their teams playing there, and there will be enough non-Raider fans who'll go just because they want to take in a game that their own base will be drowned out. Also, I don't see the hardcore meatheads from the black hole making it down from Oakland very often.

Believe or not, the Raiders have a huge following in Las Vegas with many of the fans following them once they moved to Los Angeles.

I have a ton of friends that are either Bay Area transplants or Raiders fans from the 80's and 90's from their time in LA. Most of them traveled each year to see them in San Diego and Oakland and truth be told, Vegas is a far better destination than either city due to the casinos and gambling.

That said, I'm in full agreement about their crowd. As I've said from the beginning, it didn't make much sense to move them to Vegas because every opposing team's fans will circle the Raiders on their schedules each year and make plans for a Vegas weekend.

If time permits, I'll likely head to Vegas to watch the Chiefs this season.

**TinyEvel** · 03-10-2021, 01:08 PM

When I lived in LA we'd take the Amtrak from Union Station down to see the Chiefs game there. Drink the whole way on the train, was basically our tailgate get to the stadium around noon for the 1pm kickoff. Good memories. I mean ,what I can remember of it. The train ride back at night after drinking since 7am was a bit of a blur.

one year we all pitched in for a stretch limo to take us there, it was about the same price as 8 train tickets. we tailgated out of a limo with an ice chest and a tiny weber Smokey Joe tabletop grill on the ground. After the game we were offering Krispy Kreme donuts out of the sunroof (not a euphemism) and met a couple girls two cars back. I got into their car with the donut box and a six pack and was hanging out eating donuts and beer with them on the way out of the lot. We followed them to Seau's bar. Some Chargers Cheerleaders were meeting them there.

Like five years later I was art work and a new girl comes up to me in the kitchen area and says "you look familiar" it took us a couple seconds to figure out she was one of the girls in the car I brought the donuts to.

lols

ChiefsCountry · 03-10-2021, 08:50 PM

It's a shame the Raider fan base and ownership made LA not possible. Because that is Cowboys franchise value worth to that franchise if they weren't ****ing idiots. But Las Vegas fits the Raiders as well. Pretty good second choice.

St. Louis for the Chargers would work if they had the right ownership and name change.

03-10-2021, 08:23 AM	#1
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $5725027	I always kind of figured they would be the team to go to Mexico City, if we ever go that route. Though I'd be hard pressed to tell a bunch of Americans to move their families there at this time.
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03-10-2021, 12:12 PM	#3
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-816615	Here's what I'd do if it was up to me. 1. Force that asshat Spanos to sell the Chargers, and send them back to San Diego under new, community-based ownership. Build them a new stadium at league expense to soothe fanbase butthurt. They could play at a college stadium until the new facility is completed. 2. Relocate the Raiders to L.A., where they actually have a ready fanbase. 3. Use the Vegas Stadium to host one game per week, preferably a marquis matchup. Since they are now going to a 17 game season, this could be done without stealing an extra home game from anybody. Perhaps they could even make it the permanent home of the Super Bowl. 4. No more games in London or Mexico City. **** that shit. Of course, none of these things will actually happen.
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03-10-2021, 12:56 PM	#5
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-238384	I bet someone would want them pretty quickly if you scraped the Spanos barnacles off of the team. The Spanos' are basically Marge Schott-ing the team without all the racial blasts - just totally screwing up a sure thing. It's fascinating to watch, really. I actually like Fraz's idea of turning the Vegas stadium into a game of the week matchup site. Rotate it evenly between all the various networks and profit. Vegas during the NFL season would become even more of a destination every weekend than it is now. It's kind of a shame they won't consider it.
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03-10-2021, 01:06 PM	#6
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $74454	Why are we wanting to move the Raiders out of Vegas already? The people haven’t been given a chance yet to show if they will support them. The only place that the Chargers name holds any value is San Diego. Shame on the NFL and the Spanos that they can’t make it work there somehow. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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03-10-2021, 01:08 PM	#9
TinyEvel Just a li'l Evel Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bald. Goatee. Jorts. Casino cash: $2229601	When I lived in LA we'd take the Amtrak from Union Station down to see the Chiefs game there. Drink the whole way on the train, was basically our tailgate get to the stadium around noon for the 1pm kickoff. Good memories. I mean ,what I can remember of it. The train ride back at night after drinking since 7am was a bit of a blur. one year we all pitched in for a stretch limo to take us there, it was about the same price as 8 train tickets. we tailgated out of a limo with an ice chest and a tiny weber Smokey Joe tabletop grill on the ground. After the game we were offering Krispy Kreme donuts out of the sunroof (not a euphemism) and met a couple girls two cars back. I got into their car with the donut box and a six pack and was hanging out eating donuts and beer with them on the way out of the lot. We followed them to Seau's bar. Some Chargers Cheerleaders were meeting them there. Like five years later I was art work and a new girl comes up to me in the kitchen area and says "you look familiar" it took us a couple seconds to figure out she was one of the girls in the car I brought the donuts to. lols
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03-10-2021, 08:50 PM	#10
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1621248	It's a shame the Raider fan base and ownership made LA not possible. Because that is Cowboys franchise value worth to that franchise if they weren't ****ing idiots. But Las Vegas fits the Raiders as well. Pretty good second choice. St. Louis for the Chargers would work if they had the right ownership and name change.
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