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Old 06-06-2019, 04:41 AM  
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What is Trevor Lawrence worth?
I think this kid is the next "generational" QB along with Mahomes....albeit different playing styles. I really hope he gets drafted to the NFC.

His highlight reel...in which he's a freshman, is pretty fantastic. To play like that, a year removed from high school,...yikes.

What is he worth in draft capital?...hypothetically, if the #1 (drafting) team just chose a top QB the year before?

Two entire drafts? 3-4 first round picks?

What would Mahomes go for...if teams knew he was a 50 TD QB?

A generational QB can define your franchise....for like 15 years.
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Old 10-31-2022, 02:36 PM   #211
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Trevor could flourish in the right system. Heck, he was doing okay the first couple weeks of the season until his best receiver got hurt.

Just imagine him in the 49ers offense, where he basically is just a game-manager with 3 really good weapons, a running scheme that almost any RB can excel in and a top-10 defense . . . he'd probably be better than Jimmy, just from his better arm and running ability.
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Old 10-31-2022, 02:43 PM   #212
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He’s good but he’s also on an insanely talented team. Nothing I’ve seen from Lawrence is as impressive as Mahomes vs LSU.
That was sick run - thanks for sharing - not sure I'd seen that one before
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That was sick run - thanks for sharing - not sure I'd seen that one before
Yeah, it's a cool video. There's some plays in there where you'd think you were actually watching the Chiefs. You can see NFL Patrick for sure. But you can also see some of the concepts Mahomes brought with him from college, concepts that have been incorporated into Reid's offense.
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Old 10-31-2022, 02:52 PM   #214
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I think the development curve of QB's in the NFL has been distorted a bit by fans due to the early success of Mahomes, Lamar, Herbert, Burrow etc. Josh Allen for example looked pretty ordinary until his third season, we are seeing an emergence from Jalen Hurts as well in his third season.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Lawrence yet. The Urban Meyer saga didn't help the development of Lawrence, absolute fail by Jags ownership making that decision. Lawrence has to cut down on some mistakes, he's had some extremely bad redzone interceptions that just can't happen. I think with a little bit more seasoning and improving the supporting cast a bit more that Lawrence will be just fine. Maybe not as high as a ceiling as many predicted coming out of college but I still think he can be a top 8 QB in the NFL.
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I think the development curve of QB's in the NFL has been distorted a bit by fans due to the early success of Mahomes, Lamar, Herbert, Burrow etc. Josh Allen for example looked pretty ordinary until his third season, we are seeing an emergence from Jalen Hurts as well in his third season.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Lawrence yet. The Urban Meyer saga didn't help the development of Lawrence, absolute fail by Jags ownership making that decision. Lawrence has to cut down on some mistakes, he's had some extremely bad redzone interceptions that just can't happen. I think with a little bit more seasoning and improving the supporting cast a bit more that Lawrence will be just fine. Maybe not as high as a ceiling as many predicted coming out of college but I still think he can be a top 8 QB in the NFL.
Burrow struggled his rookie season and then got hurt. He emerged in year 2. Lamar only started 7 games in situational action until coming of the bench as the full-time starter late in the season. Mahomes only started 1 game his rookie season.

Only Herbert really hit the ground running and had a stellar rookie season. The other guys all needed a year to develop. Starting a rookie at QB is almost like burning a season.

The problem is that Lawrence is now in his 2nd year and doesn't look dramatically improved from last year. He's being compared to those guys and he should be because he's just like them coming out.
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Old 10-31-2022, 03:00 PM   #216
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Trevor Lawrence never really had to comeback in games at Clemson. Dude was playing on front 99% of the time.

Only comeback win was against OSU who had a hurt RB, a DB that got ejected for targeting, and Fields choked
Some semantics, but fields actually didn’t choke. Chris Olave cut off his route on the final INT of that game.
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Burrow struggled his rookie season and then got hurt. He emerged in year 2. Lamar only started 7 games in situational action until coming of the bench as the full-time starter late in the season. Mahomes only started 1 game his rookie season.

Only Herbert really hit the ground running and had a stellar rookie season. The other guys all needed a year to develop. Starting a rookie at QB is almost like burning a season.

The problem is that Lawrence is now in his 2nd year and doesn't look dramatically improved from last year. He's being compared to those guys and he should be because he's just like them coming out.
Yup, you also have to weigh in that mahomes and Lamar and Allen came into a way more qb friendly era. Defenses are way way better now. Plenty of veterans are having issues too.
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Burrow struggled his rookie season and then got hurt. He emerged in year 2. Lamar only started 7 games in situational action until coming of the bench as the full-time starter late in the season. Mahomes only started 1 game his rookie season.

Only Herbert really hit the ground running and had a stellar rookie season. The other guys all needed a year to develop. Starting a rookie at QB is almost like burning a season.

The problem is that Lawrence is now in his 2nd year and doesn't look dramatically improved from last year. He's being compared to those guys and he should be because he's just like them coming out.
Has Lawrence had the quantum leap that other QB's had in their 2nd season? No absolutely not but he has definitely improved his numbers, albeit slightly. On pace for close to 4000 yards passing, close to doubling his TD's thrown and although his INT's are still high, looks like he'll shave a few off of that number as well.

My main point is that since we've had such an influx of QB's who have had success very early on in their careers, I think NFL fans are way too impatient with the development of QB's. Especially in Lawrence's case where he couldn't have had a worse situation in his rookie season with the head coach and surrounding cast issues, I really think year 3 for Lawrence will be the true litmus test if Lawrence is the answer long term for Jacksonville.

Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert all had excellent supporting casts and surrounded their franchise QB with legitimate weapons. Hurts/Allen are perfect examples, first two years they had less than to be desired weapons, Hurts now has AJ Brown and is enjoying success. Allen went nuclear after the Bills traded for Diggs. Jacksonville has to find a way to give Lawrence an alpha receiver.
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Those programs don't really produce QBs, a lot of the powerhouse teams haven't really produced a lot of NFL QB's, kinda weird I guess.
I wonder if the talent disparity has something to do with it. When you dominate your opponents because the talent around you is so much better than theirs then there is little incentive to improve or learn fundamentals.
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Trevor could flourish in the right system. Heck, he was doing okay the first couple weeks of the season until his best receiver got hurt.

Just imagine him in the 49ers offense, where he basically is just a game-manager with 3 really good weapons, a running scheme that almost any RB can excel in and a top-10 defense . . . he'd probably be better than Jimmy, just from his better arm and running ability.
Most QBs can be a decent game manager if they're in the perfect situation.
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Most QBs can be a decent game manager if they're in the perfect situation.
This is untrue.
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Most QBs can be a decent game manager if they're in the perfect situation.
No, we’ve seen lots of them that can’t.
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Damn, that's a real good move. I love this move just as much as the bears trading for claypool for similar yet very different reasons
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