How to play this off-season with free agency?

[Walt White]

I don't know the cap space that well so people smarter will have to tell me what we can do. I'm just excited to see how good this team can get. All the building blocks are in place. It's a matter of how we can supplement the pieces. And I know retain the big pieces is most important.

So assuming we can keep Chris Jones and give Pat an extension, will we have any room at all in the cap to make impact additions? Keeping Sammy looks unlikely. Not sure how many of our corners we can keep?

Even if we play it perfect, will there be any cap left to add some vet free agents? It seems like a pretty strong offensive line class in free agency if we could add one or two. Or if we could add an LB (although Hitchens make a lot). Or a vet corner? Trade possibilities?

I'm just trying to get a realistic grid of what potential moves we can make. I know hitting on picks in the draft will be the biggest way to improve. But if we can get some discounted vets or something, that could go a long way into having freedom in drafting more luxury picks.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Saunders is not Jones- not even close.

No ****ing shit. Where did I say he was? Hardman isn’t even the same type of receiver Watkins is, but they do play the same positions, and GM’s absolutely do draft players to prepare for departing players to avoid paying for second contracts. Guess why CJ was drafted in 2016? Hungry pig ring a bell?

Thanks for the contribution to the conversation ffs.

[Kidd Lex]

To take it a step further we don’t win the SB this year without CJ. I love him. He’s very likely gone. It’s a numbers game, and we will invest the saved cap cash elsewhere and try to survive with the benefit of low cost drafted players. As I said, I think we use any resources possible to sign interior line free agents and or draft players there.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

No ****ing shit. Where did I say he was? Hardman isn’t even the same type of receiver Watkins is, but they do play the same positions, and GM’s absolutely do draft players to prepare for departing players to avoid paying for second contracts. Guess why CJ was drafted in 2016? Hungry pig ring a bell?

Thanks for the contribution to the conversation ffs.

How is it a conversation when you start your post with absolutes? Jones will be tagged and traded!

This goes against everything that Jones has said- but here you are posting like it is a done deal. I was only pointing out that Saunders is not going to fill the production that Jones brings. Not even close.

At this point there is more of a chance he stays to defend the title- then gets tagged and traded-IMO based on how much Jones loves KC.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

How is it a conversation when you start your post with absolutes? Jones will be tagged and traded!

This goes against everything that Jones has said- but here you are posting like it is a done deal. I was only pointing out that Saunders is not going to fill the production that Jones brings. Not even close.

At this point there is more of a chance he stays to defend the title- then gets tagged and traded-IMO based on how much Jones loves KC.

Now you have a take. Now we can have discourse. I was going on the record for what I believe will happen in a thread titled, “Chiefs How to play this offseason with free agency” That’s why I was approaching it that way - how I believe the Chiefs will approach the offseason in free agency starting with our free agents.

I strongly believe CJ will be tagged and traded. I could easily be wrong. A lot of athletes say a lot of things and none of it matters when the agent and the team sit down to discuss negotiations. Now we are both on record with our opinions. I’d love you to be right, CJ is a monster.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Now you have a take. Now we can have discourse. I was going on the record for what I believe will happen in a thread titled, “Chiefs How to play this offseason with free agency” That’s why I was approaching it that way - how I believe the Chiefs will approach the offseason in free agency starting with our free agents.

I strongly believe CJ will be tagged and traded. I could easily be wrong. A lot of athletes say a lot of things and none of it matters when the agent and the team sit down to discuss negotiations. Now we are both on record with our opinions. I’d love you to be right, CJ is a monster.

True- while CJ says he wants to be here- it will come down to money. It always does. My opinion is nothing more than wishful thinking I would bet. He is one of my favorite players. I think he is funny as hell and I love his attitude. But, like you stated, it is a business, so I guess if he leaves we will have to make due and try to fill the void.

It is a bitter pill that is a bit easier to swallow since we are the Champs!

[el borracho]

At some point the Chiefs are going to have to make tough decisions on the roster. We will have to replace skilled players with less expensive options. With the Chiefs invested in Tyreek and Mecole for the next few years, we may have to look for more frugal complementary WRs. Which WR scenario would everyone prefer for 2020:

a. Sammy Watkins at market value + Demarcus Robinson at market value
b. Sammy Watkins at market value + 1st or 2nd round rookie
c. Demarcus Robinson at market value + 1st or 2nd round rookie
d. Free agent WR (Amari Cooper, for example) + 1st or 2nd round rookie

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by el borracho

At some point the Chiefs are going to have to make tough decisions on the roster. We will have to replace skilled players with less expensive options. With the Chiefs invested in Tyreek and Mecole for the next few years, we may have to look for more frugal complementary WRs. Which WR scenario would everyone prefer for 2020:

a. Sammy Watkins at market value + Demarcus Robinson at market value
b. Sammy Watkins at market value + 1st or 2nd round rookie
c. Demarcus Robinson at market value + 1st or 2nd round rookie
d. Free agent WR (Amari Cooper, for example) + 1st or 2nd round rookie

e. Pringle and Fortson + AJ Green

[Kidd Lex]

Imagine having to think about losing Watkins, Jones, Okafor, Fuller, Breeland, and others if we had lost.... ������

Chiefs are in better shape financially than many think for next season. I’d like Veach to stay savvy and not overpay, while piling up draft capital, & nabbing veterans on discounts with something to prove... that’s how you build a sustainable dynasty even with a huge QB contract.

[Halfcan]

Any chance to get Hunter Henry? He has injury issues but could be a nice bookend with Kelce.

[wazu]

The beauty of all of this is I trust Veach to put together a very good plan for maintaining this championship caliber team for 2020. I'm not sure what the right answers are, but after this past year I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that he has them.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Imagine having to think about losing Watkins, Jones, Okafor, Fuller, Breeland, and others if we had lost.... ������

Chiefs are in better shape financially than many think for next season. I’d like Veach to stay savvy and not overpay, while piling up draft capital, & nabbing veterans on discounts with something to prove... that’s how you build a sustainable dynasty even with a huge QB contract.

That is a lot of talent to replace. Our secondary was much better than anyone could have hoped for at the beginning of camp. Losing Fuller and Breeland and (Thornhill for at least some of the season) puts us back in flux trying to defend the pass. I hope Veech has his best year yet and pulls some rabbits out of the hat.

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

e. Pringle and Fortson + AJ Green

Green will be more expensive than Watkins, Green is 31 years old, and he didn't play at all this season after tearing his ankle up. I'm not sure I would make that investment.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Green will be more expensive than Watkins, Green is 31 years old, and he didn't play at all this season after tearing his ankle up. I'm not sure I would make that investment.

Yep, he is getting old and was hurt. Might take a cheap prove it deal to actually play with a QB that can pad his stats for one last mega-deal before he retires.

It is great we have speed in our WR's- but the blueprint will be to take away the deep ball next year. AJ Green or a Hunter Henry would feast like Kelce has on those soft middle of the field coverages.

It is fun to dream about anyway.

Reek, Hardman, AJ Green, Kelce and H. Henry all lining up. How would you even cover that?

[MightyMouse]

Cut LDT and Watkins unless you somehow trade him

Franchise and trade jones

Sign whoever is willing to stay for cheap

See what Bythe or whatever his name is. Talented guard coming into his prime. I also like the cb Hill from the Rams. His size might prevent him from getting a good contract so if affordable he would be a good #2.
Other than that we need to hit on cheap underrated dudes and draft well

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by el borracho

At some point the Chiefs are going to have to make tough decisions on the roster. We will have to replace skilled players with less expensive options. With the Chiefs invested in Tyreek and Mecole for the next few years, we may have to look for more frugal complementary WRs. Which WR scenario would everyone prefer for 2020:

a. Sammy Watkins at market value + Demarcus Robinson at market value
b. Sammy Watkins at market value + 1st or 2nd round rookie
c. Demarcus Robinson at market value + 1st or 2nd round rookie
d. Free agent WR (Amari Cooper, for example) + 1st or 2nd round rookie

Veteran on a prove it deal and a 3rd or 4th round draft choice

Edit: if you’re a veteran who’s trying to get a multi-year deal done but need a one year prove it deal, what team is better to sign with than then the Chiefs? I really think WR is the least of our worries. Agents will be calling Veach to throw their clients at us - I believe that. I wouldn’t even spend draft capital on the position