Chiefs Jones vs. 1st Rounder + $20m - Page 15

**DaFace** · 02-18-2020, 11:08 AM

Obviously this is going to be a key discussion this offseason. On The Athletic's podcast (Time's Ours), Nate Taylor said that he's heard that there are multiple teams out there who would give us a 1st round pick for Jones (assuming we tag and trade him), and possibly more than that.

So just to lay out a simplified version of the options:

Option 1:
Chris Jones (probably around $20m per year)

Option 2:
1st round draft pick (cheap for 4-5 years)
$20m worth of other players

For context on how much other players might cost based on recent free agents we've signed:
Clark - $21m
Mathieu - $14m
Hitchens - $9m
Schwartz - $8m
Okafor - $6m

So...which way do we go?

smithandrew051 · 02-19-2020, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Every player that signs a large contract is a risk.

Well obviously, but the risk of injury is far less with a QB than a DT. If your QB is breaking down due to physical punishment, it’s probably a failure of the entire organization. DTs will break down far earlier.

**The Franchise** · 02-19-2020, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

For those who are strongly advocating for signing Jones, does our experience with Houston not terrify you? He had 22 sacks, got paid, then proceeded to be hurt every year and never topped 10 sacks again. Sub in Eric Berry if you want another example.

What about Jones makes you confident that he's not going to fall apart similarly? I get the "draft picks are lottery tickets" take, but I don't understand how signing a guy like Jones to a huge contract is any different. And the former option comes with a bag of money.

So do you never pay any of your defensive players?

Injuries happen. It’s all about how you structure the contracts.

Dorsey was ****ing shit at contracts.

smithandrew051 · 02-19-2020, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

For those who are strongly advocating for signing Jones, does our experience with Houston not terrify you? He had 22 sacks, got paid, then proceeded to be hurt every year and never topped 10 sacks again. Sub in Eric Berry if you want another example.

What about Jones makes you confident that he's not going to fall apart similarly? I get the "draft picks are lottery tickets" take, but I don't understand how signing a guy like Jones to a huge contract is any different. And the former option comes with a bag of money.

Technically, signing Jones costs you both draft picks and money.

We are foregoing draft picks that we could acquire for Jones. Those picks will not belong to the Chiefs if we sign Jones.

So, by betting on Jones, we’re risking both the money he signs for AND the draft picks we could received in return for him.

**The Franchise** · 02-19-2020, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Technically, signing Jones costs you both draft picks and money.

We are foregoing draft picks that we could acquire for Jones. Those picks will not belong to the Chiefs if we sign Jones.

So, by betting on Jones, we’re risking both the money he signs for AND the draft picks we could received in return for him.

Oh Jesus Christ. This is a ****ing moronic way of looking at it.

Chief Roundup · 02-19-2020, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi

You would rather have Chris Jones than Kelce, Hill, Hunt, Thornhill, and Hardman combined? Good Lord, that is crazy talk.

Reading comprehension helps. There is a difference between the elite players he listed and the other gaggle of players that he listed.

Halfcan · 02-19-2020, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Technically, signing Jones costs you both draft picks and money.

We are foregoing draft picks that we could acquire for Jones. Those picks will not belong to the Chiefs if we sign Jones.

So, by betting on Jones, we’re risking both the money he signs for AND the draft picks we could received in return for him.

Yep, we might miss out on drafting the next Ryan Sims.

I will bet on the sure winner than taking the mystery box.

wachashi · 02-19-2020, 01:27 PM

If we hadn't already signed Clark, Mathieu, and Hitchens to big contracts the Jones decision would be much easier.

smithandrew051 · 02-19-2020, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Oh Jesus Christ. This is a ****ing moronic way of looking at it.

It’s absolutely true. You have two scenarios.

Sign Jones.

Trade Jones for picks and save money.

It’s not just about what you pay for Jones, it’s also about the compensation that you don’t receive when you keep him.

Chief Roundup · 02-19-2020, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi

If we hadn't already signed Clark, Mathieu, and Hitchens to big contracts the Jones decision would be much easier.

Yeah because Hitchens has been soooooo worth that contract he got.

Chief Roundup · 02-19-2020, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

It’s absolutely true. You have two scenarios.

Sign Jones.

Trade Jones for picks and save money.

It’s not just about what you pay for Jones, it’s also about the compensation that you don’t receive when you keep him.

You are not saving the money though. You are going to spend it else where on the team.

smithandrew051 · 02-19-2020, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Yep, we might miss out on drafting the next Ryan Sims.

I will bet on the sure winner than taking the mystery box.

I’ve said multiple times that I’m fine with either scenario as long as we don’t panic.

I’m fine with the Chiefs signing Jones, as long as it isn’t a drastic overpayment.

I’m fine with the Chiefs trading Jones, as long as they don’t accept shit compensation just because they think they can’t afford him.

Halfcan · 02-19-2020, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Except elite QBs impact the game far more and take less physical punishment than a DT, which prolongs their careers.

Mahomes could lose some athleticism and still be an elite QB. We’ve seen guys like Brady and Brees stay effective for 15+ years.

DT’s are essentially in a car wreck every Sunday. Betting on a DT’s health is much riskier.

It is not like the Chiefs will be signing him to deal that will still be paying out when Jones is in the twilight of his career. He will barely be 30 when this one is up. The guy is in his prime years and is on a HOF trajectory so far.

smithandrew051 · 02-19-2020, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

You are not saving the money though. You are going to spend it else where on the team.

And if you sign Jones, you’ll have less to spend on other positions.

Granted, there are ways to work around the cap. It just becomes much more difficult.

smithandrew051 · 02-19-2020, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

It is not like the Chiefs will be signing him to deal that will still be paying out when Jones is in the twilight of his career. He will barely be 30 when this one is up. The guy is in his prime years and is on a HOF trajectory so far.

I agree. My comment was in response to saying that signing Mahomes is a lottery ticket like signing Jones.

Yes, both are risks. But the risk is a lot higher with a DT.

**The Franchise** · 02-19-2020, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

It’s absolutely true. You have two scenarios.

Sign Jones.

Trade Jones for picks and save money.

It’s not just about what you pay for Jones, it’s also about the compensation that you don’t receive when you keep him.

Think of what we could do with all the picks that we could get for Mahomes!! And that’s not even factoring in the $40 million.

View Poll Results: What's your preference?
Chris Jones	94	54.34%
1st round draft pick + $20m of other players	74	42.77%
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02-18-2020, 11:08 AM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1863101	Jones vs. 1st Rounder + $20m Obviously this is going to be a key discussion this offseason. On The Athletic's podcast (Time's Ours), Nate Taylor said that he's heard that there are multiple teams out there who would give us a 1st round pick for Jones (assuming we tag and trade him), and possibly more than that. So just to lay out a simplified version of the options: Option 1: Chris Jones (probably around $20m per year) Option 2: 1st round draft pick (cheap for 4-5 years) $20m worth of other players For context on how much other players might cost based on recent free agents we've signed: Clark - $21m Mathieu - $14m Hitchens - $9m Schwartz - $8m Okafor - $6m So...which way do we go?
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02-19-2020, 01:27 PM	#217
wachashi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2019 Casino cash: $6310400	If we hadn't already signed Clark, Mathieu, and Hitchens to big contracts the Jones decision would be much easier.
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