Football Off-season WR possibilities - Page 15

Reerun_KC · 12-24-2023, 03:27 PM

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

This is what posters like Mahomes Magic need to understand. Veach can't do a damn thing about Mahomes roster bonus because it's not a cap thing.

Clark has to write a check for that restructure to happen. He is the deciding factor here.

If Clark Hunt can't pay his players then sell the team or trade the QB.

I doubt Mr. Hunt agrees with that. The NFL gives these teams free money every year.

Wisconsin_Chief · 12-27-2023, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Other teams have figured out how to cheat the cap. Jalen Hurts is getting $259M of cash with a cap hit of only $173M across 6 seasons. Somehow Philly is finding a way to cheat the cap by $86M during that time period. He only had 1 year left on his rookie deal, so that's not the primary driver of their cap savings in his contract. Look at these numbers:

2024 is $40M of cash, but only $13.6M cap hit
2025 is $42M of cash, but only $21.8M cap hit
2026 is $51M of cash, but only $31.8M cap hit

That doesn't even seem possible, the Chiefs really need to dig into how teams are doing this shit. If Mahomes is over his willingness to take a team friendly deal, we need to start circumventing like everyone else. Don't really care what happens 10 years from now.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

That doesn't even seem possible, the Chiefs really need to dig into how teams are doing this shit. If Mahomes is over his willingness to take a team friendly deal, we need to start circumventing like everyone else. Don't really care what happens 10 years from now.

They don't even have to be that aggressive.

Just keep Mahomes under 40 for a few years as cap rises then be willing to overpay hits on a down cycle.

So if we rebuild 4 years from now after winning 2 more rings load Mahomes hits to 75 then.

Coogs · 12-27-2023, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

Jones is a free agent.

He's gone. We are not going to tag him. We are not going to trade him.

Its over for him in KC.

What happens to the 5.4 million of Prorated Bonus's due to Jones? 1.35 million per year for 2024, 2025, 2026, and 2027. Won't that be 5.4 million in dead money against the cap in 2024?

Wisconsin_Chief · 12-27-2023, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Saints and Steelers are still in cap hell. You can "recover" every year, it just takes a lot of work and is a hell of a lot harder to maintain a championship quality team without a whizkid in the front office. Even then, all that money has to be paid eventually.

Even if they are in cap hell, they are still competing. Plus, I'd still do it in a heartbeat if it meant more Super Bowls.

Wouldn't you feel the same? You have a generational QB, do you really care if you have a few sucky years after he's gone if you can win a couple chips? Seems like the only way to go for teams like KC and Cincy.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Even if they are in cap hell, they are still competing. Plus, I'd still do it in a heartbeat if it meant more Super Bowls.

Wouldn't you feel the same? You have a generational QB, do you really care if you have a few sucky years after he's gone if you can win a couple chips? Seems like the only way to go for teams like KC and Cincy.

Time is now.

I said this last offseason.

QB's prime is historically to 31 years of age.

Kelce still here.

Go get it.

Chief Pagan · 12-27-2023, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

They are going to have to attack this shit show from every different angle; expensive proven #1 veteran, mid-range #2-3 veteran, and a high draft pick. Don't care about the cost, don't want to hear excuses, don't want to listen to any bullshit. All 3 of these avenues need to be taken for 2024, and that's all there is to it.

Don't care if we have to overpay (we will) and don't care if they don't fit the exact prototype Reid wants in a WR. Acquire multiple legitimate NFL receivers at all costs. That's it, end of conversation. If this doesn't happen, we'll see the same exact garbage again next year. Just do it.

Yes, you absolutely can throw anything and everything and the kitchen sink at fixing the WR problem and no doubt fix that one problem.

If all you want to do is make sure that Mahomes has weapons and the fan base feels you are trying to address 'issues', well I'm sure it will keep butts in seats at Arrowhead.

But if you want to maximize your chances of winning SBs, you have to juggle more than one thing at a time.

Instead of taking the approach that we are going to bring in an expensive vet and an expensive draft choice and a semi-expensive vet... in order to guarantee a solution to one problem.

If you want to maximize your SB odds, you got to take calculated gambles to several problems. And hope enough work out. And look a little further out than last games latest disaster.

I sure as hell hope Veach doesn't panic and put that much into WR.

And you guys in hindsight were/are whining about how much KC's RT is eating the cap versus production and you want to dump that much into WR all at once regardless of value?

Sure, if good value is there, I'm not opposed. But the overpay is what gave us Taylor at his current contract and you can't just know that decently priced vets and/or good value draft picks will automatically be available without over paying or not drafting BPA or giving up too much to move up in the draft.

DRM08 · 12-27-2023, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

That doesn't even seem possible, the Chiefs really need to dig into how teams are doing this shit. If Mahomes is over his willingness to take a team friendly deal, we need to start circumventing like everyone else. Don't really care what happens 10 years from now.

Other teams seem to be using void years in a creative way. Tampa did this with Brady too. He was being paid $35M of cash with cap hits around $15M because of the void years.

Cleveland handed Deshaun Watson a fully guaranteed contract at $46M of cash per year, and yet his cap hits have only been $9.4M and $19M in the first two years of the deal. I know they added void year stuff after the fact to help cheat the cap as much as possible. Supposedly his cap hits will be jumping north of $63M very soon, but we'll see what other tricks the Cleveland front office has up their sleeves.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Yes, you absolutely can throw anything and everything and the kitchen sink at fixing the WR problem and no doubt fix that one problem.

If all you want to do is make sure that Mahomes has weapons and the fan base feels you are trying to address 'issues', well I'm sure it will keep butts in seats at Arrowhead.

But if you want to maximize your chances of winning SBs, you have to juggle more than one thing at a time.

Instead of taking the approach that we are going to bring in an expensive vet and an expensive draft choice and a semi-expensive vet... in order to guarantee a solution to one problem.

If you want to maximize your SB odds, you got to take calculated gambles to several problems. And hope enough work out. And look a little further out than last games latest disaster.

I sure as hell hope Veach doesn't panic and put that much into WR.

And you guys in hindsight were/are whining about how much KC's RT is eating the cap versus production and you want to dump that much into WR all at once regardless of value?

Sure, if good value is there, I'm not opposed. But the overpay is what gave us Taylor at his current contract and you can't just know that decently priced vets and/or good value draft picks will automatically be available without over paying or not drafting BPA.

They need to pay some real NFL players at WR.

That's it.

Right now they aren't paying one guy that Mahomes wants to throw to.

RunKC · 12-27-2023, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

That doesn't even seem possible, the Chiefs really need to dig into how teams are doing this shit. If Mahomes is over his willingness to take a team friendly deal, we need to start circumventing like everyone else. Don't really care what happens 10 years from now.

The Chiefs did have a perfect contract in place paying him a team friendly contract. They were on track to pay Patrick Mahomes $46.7 million, $48.3 million and $44.4 million from 2024-2026.

Mahomes came to the table and wanted more money. And Clark Hunt is paying his ass $210 million in the next 3 years after this one, so anyone getting pissed at Clark Hunt can **** off bc that's the most any player has ever made over a 4 year span.

Mahomes agent said that him and the Chiefs will plan on revisiting the contract again once those 4 years play out.

Anyone bitching about how much Mahomes makes should point the finger directly at Mahomes bc the Chiefs had the awesome team friendly deal in place to help the cap.

Mahomes chose to go with money and I bet more than anything he regrets it after what's happened with his WR's this year.

Chief Pagan · 12-27-2023, 04:09 PM

Oh I have no problem with an extended period of cap hell after Mahomes is gone and would be sort of disappointed if that's not the case.

rfaulk34 · 12-27-2023, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

They don't even have to be that aggressive.

Just keep Mahomes under 40 for a few years as cap rises then be willing to overpay hits on a down cycle.

So if we rebuild 4 years from now after winning 2 more rings load Mahomes hits to 75 then.

The question is...

why didn't they do that when they rewrote it last year?

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The Chiefs did have a perfect contract in place paying him a team friendly contract. They were on track to pay Patrick Mahomes $46.7 million, $48.3 million and $44.4 million from 2024-2026.

Mahomes came to the table and wanted more money. And Clark Hunt is paying his ass $210 million in the next 3 years after this one, so anyone getting pissed at Clark Hunt can **** off bc that's the most any player has ever made over a 4 year span.

Mahomes agent said that him and the Chiefs will plan on revisiting the contract again once those 4 years play out.

Anyone bitching another how much Mahomes makes should point the finger directly at Mahomes bc the Chiefs had the awesome team friendly deal in place to help the cap.

Mahomes chose to go with money and I bet more than anything he regrets it after what's happened with his WR's this year.

None of this has anything to do with his cap hits. They can change those.

That was the whole point of the unique contract and length.

Chief Pagan · 12-27-2023, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

They need to pay some real NFL players at WR.

That's it.

Right now they aren't paying one guy that Mahomes wants to throw to.

Yes, they need to do something. But it can't be the only thing.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34

The question is...

why didn't they do that when they rewrote it last year?

I think Veach and Reid got high on their own supply.

Both undervalue the WR position and they thought they could moneyball it even further.

They add DHop at 10-12 cap hit this year and one more viable NFL WR this team walks to the AFC Championship at Arrowhead for 6th straight year.

12-24-2023, 03:27 PM
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