Cardinals ***Offical 2010 STL Cardinals Baseball Thread *** - Page 152

**BigRedChief** · 01-05-2010, 09:39 PM

Holliday signs. The Deal is Done. $120 Million over 7 years.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=stl

Signed or controlled for the next 2 years

Shumaker 2B
Rasmus CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Freese 3B
Ryan SS
And 2 CY Young caliber starting pitchers
Carp and Wainwright P

We get Lohse or Garcia to step up and be a reliable 3rd starter in the playoffs we can win a World Series with this line up.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-30-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

So what makes you think Oquendo can do a better job?

How could he do any worse?

Managing an MLB club is far more about common sense than genius. Joe Torre won multiple WS and he's a dumb sonofabitch who can't manage a bullpen to save his life. LaRussa's grating style causes his teams to almost always underperform in the playoffs.

He holds grudges, and his illogical approach to the game causes him to sit talented players in place of never-will-be's. He micromanages his bullpen, and yet at the most inopportune time, when leave a left with horrible reverse platoon splits in against an all-righty lineup.

When should Colby Rasmus, when healthy, ever, EVER sit for Randy Winn?

Why is Skip Schumaker still starting at 2nd over Tyler Greene in Memphis when he's inferior both offensively, defensively, and on the basepaths?

Why does he continue to run Motte out there on B2B days when it's clear to anyone that he's horrible when not fully rested.

Tony LaRussa is a guy with an 85 IQ who thinks he has a 185 IQ. Combine that with the fact that he's a complete asshole who habitually ruins the confidence of his young players, and you have someone who has worn out his welcome.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-31-2010, 07:13 AM

They were talking on MLB Network last night about how it has to be sickening to people in St. Louis that they are 6 games behind the Reds and how pathetic this offense had been. They made a point to call out Brendan Ryan on that boneheaded play where he looked to 3rd that allowed the runner to be safe at first. "You can't allow that to happen, especially when you can't score any runs." This is embarrasing folks.

Swanman · 08-31-2010, 07:28 AM

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They were talking on MLB Network last night about how it has to be sickening to people in St. Louis that they are 6 games behind the Reds and how pathetic this offense had been. They made a point to call out Brendan Ryan on that boneheaded play where he looked to 3rd that allowed the runner to be safe at first. "You can't allow that to happen, especially when you can't score any runs." This is embarrasing folks.

This happens when you overpay a 30/100 guy, you end up with other gaping holes through the lineup unless you have the Yankees salary structure. Not saying Holliday is bad, but not worth what he is getting on this club.

It's almost funny (in a nonfunny way) watching TLR basically throw shit at a wall and see what sticks at this point, especially with the leadoff position. Wouldn't surprise me if he batted the pitcher leadoff at some point before the season ends. Stupid and arrogant is not a good combination.

**BigRedChief** · 08-31-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Tony LaRussa is a guy with an 85 IQ who thinks he has a 185 IQ. Combine that with the fact that he's a complete asshole who habitually ruins the confidence of his young players, and you have someone who has worn out his welcome.

For the first time I might agree with you that its time for Tony to move on. I've always worried about getting someone worse.

His teams have always performed well. He usually got a team to over perform. They at least played hard and fundamentally sound. But this mess has to be on Tony.

A legitamate triple crown candidate and the best player in baseball, maybe the best top 3 pitchers in baseball, best defensive catcher in baseball.....they should be better than this.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-31-2010, 07:37 PM

Another pathetic offensive performance. We are well on our way to losing 8 games in the standings in a 2.5 weeks. That's amazingly inept.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-31-2010, 07:38 PM

Getting shutout again. What a joke.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-31-2010, 07:41 PM

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For the first time I might agree with you that its time for Tony to move on. I've always worried about getting someone worse.

His teams have always performed well. He usually got a team to over perform. They at least played hard and fundamentally sound. But this mess has to be on Tony.

A legitamate triple crown candidate and the best player in baseball, maybe the best top 3 pitchers in baseball, best defensive catcher in baseball.....they should be better than this.

Tony has gotten marginal MLers to over perform because he gives them opportunities. He generally gets good players to underperform because he ****s with their PT so much.

Dave Duncan is to Tony LaRussa as Bill Belichick is to Bill Parcells.

**BigRedChief** · 08-31-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Tony has gotten marginal MLers to over perform because he gives them opportunities. He generally gets good players to underperform because he ****s with their PT so much.

Dave Duncan is to Tony LaRussa as Bill Belichick is to Bill Parcells.

That one is gonna leave a mark if he goes and I see no way he stays if Tony leaves. He defintely is one of the major reasons for our success since Tony took over. How many castoffs, picked out of the trash pitchers has he got some juice out of? We will miss that.

**BigRedChief** · 08-31-2010, 08:06 PM

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Getting shutout again. What a joke.

In front of another sparse apathetic home crowd of teams going no where.

Marcellus · 08-31-2010, 08:07 PM

Its almost gotten to the point of comical. It's completely unbelievable for a team to underachieve to this level.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-31-2010, 08:13 PM

We aren't really underachieving given the players we are running out there.

We have 5 automatic outs in the lineup: Feliz, Schumaker, Ryan, Molina, and the Pitcher's spot.

We have the worst SP in baseball going out for us every five days, and our bullpen is mediocre.

Trading Ludwick ****ing murdered this team. We needed power more than anything else and we gave away our third best hitter.

We should have traded Jay, Craig, or Daryl Jones for Kelly Johnson and just ate Westbrook's salary. Of course, putting Tyler Greene at SS would help too.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-31-2010, 08:17 PM

Molina is hitting fifth. Fifth

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-31-2010, 08:29 PM

Randy Winn just struck out to end the game on a fastball that was over his ****ing head.

**BigRedChief** · 08-31-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its almost gotten to the point of comical. It's completely unbelievable for a team to underachieve to this level.

5 hits in 18 innings after a Pujols called players only meeting.

**Nzoner** · 08-31-2010, 09:56 PM

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Another pathetic offensive performance. We are well on our way to losing 8 games in the standings in a 2.5 weeks. That's amazingly inept.

Some of us are enjoying the hell out of it

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Another pathetic offensive performance. We are well on our way to losing 8 games in the standings in a 2.5 weeks. That's amazingly inept. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-597338	Its almost gotten to the point of comical. It's completely unbelievable for a team to underachieve to this level.
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08-31-2010, 08:13 PM	#2276
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	We aren't really underachieving given the players we are running out there. We have 5 automatic outs in the lineup: Feliz, Schumaker, Ryan, Molina, and the Pitcher's spot. We have the worst SP in baseball going out for us every five days, and our bullpen is mediocre. Trading Ludwick ****ing murdered this team. We needed power more than anything else and we gave away our third best hitter. We should have traded Jay, Craig, or Daryl Jones for Kelly Johnson and just ate Westbrook's salary. Of course, putting Tyler Greene at SS would help too. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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08-31-2010, 08:17 PM	#2277
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Molina is hitting fifth. Fifth __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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08-31-2010, 08:29 PM	#2278
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Randy Winn just struck out to end the game on a fastball that was over his ****ing head. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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