***Offical 2010 STL Cardinals Baseball Thread ***

[BigRedChief]

Holliday signs. The Deal is Done. $120 Million over 7 years.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=stl

Signed or controlled for the next 2 years

Shumaker 2B
Rasmus CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Freese 3B
Ryan SS
And 2 CY Young caliber starting pitchers
Carp and Wainwright P

We get Lohse or Garcia to step up and be a reliable 3rd starter in the playoffs we can win a World Series with this line up.

[Miles]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Dammit I miss having a qualified General Manager. How the shit has Mozeliak taken a team that came with AP, Yadi, Carp, Wainer, Garcia and a slew of viable bullpen arms, not to mention valuable parts like Ryan and Jay, and turned it into an also-ran. What a worthless piece of shit.

This is probably the most frustrating aspect of the current team. Things have slowly fallen apart since Jocketty was run off and it doesn't help that he is having success with the division leader. Whatever the **** this infield is supposed to be combined with Ludwick has really put the team into the poorly run class.

Also after years of avoiding them, the team also managed to add an albatross contract in the mix by paying for a career year from a vet pitcher.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Signed or controlled through the 2012 season.....
Wainwright
Carpenter
Garcia
Molina
Rasmus
Holliday
Minor leaguers:
Jay
Craig
Miller

The cupboard isn't exactly bare.....

And I expect Pujols to re-sign.

And guess how many of the folks on that list are on the 2010 squad that pissed down its leg.

I ask again, how exactly do you see a team that traded Ryan Ludwick to save money to upgrade at 2b, SS, CL, 3b and RF? Oh, and #5 starter.

There's nobody in the minors ready to contribute. Daniel Descalso might be, but Skip is LaRussa's pet. We don't have a legitimate minor league starting pitcher. You can't rely on Freese (as he's now shown 3 years in a row w/ major injuries). Ryan's closer to the offensive player he was this year than he was in 2009, his minor league numbers bear that out. Jon Jay's bat simply doesn't profile toa corner OF position.

That team is a disaster in waiting. What you did was cite players that are the core group of a mediocre ballclub. How do you improve it?

As for Pujols re-signing - how does paying twice as much money for a player that is only going to get worse over the next decade going to help the team improve?

What you just said didn't even begin to explain how this team will win a championship over the next 2 season. In fact, it speaks directly to the problems this team faces.

Thank God we have Moe in charge, surely he'll fix things.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If anyone is at the park today and browsing CP, you should have a clean shot at Mo in his box.

I know you're in St. Louis, frazod. Skip over from the dome and do it!!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I think Holliday may be a worse defensive OF than Chris Duncan.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If anyone is at the park today and browsing CP, you should have a clean shot at Mo in his box.

I know you're in St. Louis, frazod. Skip over from the dome and do it!!

I definitely made the right call as to which game to attend.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I think Holliday may be a worse defensive OF than Chris Duncan.

no way.

[Al Bundy]

Via Jeff Passan on Twitter...

Albert Pujols says of Colby Rasmus: "We need to figure a way to get him out of here." Rest of the story should be up soon on Yahoo! Sports.

[Rams Fan]

Rasmus has demanded to be traded twice. Geez.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Rasmus has demanded to be traded twice. Geez.

Going to throw out a deal that might make some sense in light of Rasmus' trade demands and the apparent dislike of him in St. Louis' clubhouse ...

David DeJesus
Danny Duffy
Tyler Sample (or MLB ready reliever)

DeJesus is a quality outfield bat who can be signed to a reasonable $8 million/3 years) and also fills the gaping hole in the leadoff spot.

Duffy is a B-B+ starting prospect who is close to MLB ready.

And the third piece can be whatever makes it work.

I think the Cardinals offense would really take off with a legit leadoff hitter. DeJesus is about as cheap a guy as they'll find for that hole. Duffy is a quality young arm who profiles as a 2-3 starter.

Price would be higher if not for the comments from both sides ...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Going to throw out a deal that might make some sense in light of Rasmus' trade demands and the apparent dislike of him in St. Louis' clubhouse ...

David DeJesus
Danny Duffy
Tyler Sample (or MLB ready reliever)

DeJesus is a quality outfield bat who can be signed to a reasonable $8 million/3 years) and also fills the gaping hole in the leadoff spot.

Duffy is a B-B+ starting prospect who is close to MLB ready.

And the third piece can be whatever makes it work.

I think the Cardinals offense would really take off with a legit leadoff hitter. DeJesus is about as cheap a guy as they'll find for that hole. Duffy is a quality young arm who profiles as a 2-3 starter.

Price would be higher if not for the comments from both sides ...

**** off.

Rasmus is a better prospect than anyone in the entire Royals system.

Moustakas, Hosmer, anyone.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

**** off.

Rasmus is a better prospect than anyone in the entire Royals system.

Moustakas, Hosmer, anyone.

So eloquent. 1) He's not a better prospect than several players in the Royals organization (Moustakas, Hosmer, Myers, Montgomery); 2) His trade value took a significant hit when he ran his mouth, and Pujols ran his; 3) his performance thus far dampens his value some. His k rate and low avg are trouble spots.

Duffy would be the No. 2 prospect in the Cardinals system. He's not as toolsy as Miller, but he's closer to MLB. He's going to be nice middle-rotation guy.

DeJesus provides help now (and probably is more useful than Rasmus short-term) and is also affordable. That lineup would be a lot better with a legit leadoff man.

[duncan_idaho]

Notice I also didn't suggest a 1x1 swap, either. So rasmus' individual value versus anyone else's individual value really isn't the issue.

If all trades had to have guys that matched up individually, with additional guys going one way, they'd never happen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So eloquent. 1) He's not a better prospect than several players in the Royals organization (Moustakas, Hosmer, Myers, Montgomery); 2) His trade value took a significant hit when he ran his mouth, and Pujols ran his; 3) his performance thus far dampens his value some. His k rate and low avg are trouble spots.

Duffy would be the No. 2 prospect in the Cardinals system. He's not as toolsy as Miller, but he's closer to MLB. He's going to be nice middle-rotation guy.

DeJesus provides help now (and probably is more useful than Rasmus short-term) and is also affordable. That lineup would be a lot better with a legit leadoff man.

You shouldn't be eloquent when responding to one of the dumbest posts in the history of the internet.

You have to be an absolute ****ing reerun to suggest that David DeJesus, who is 7 years older, not cost controlled, and who has never had an OPS within 30 points of Rasmus' in his age 24 year alone would be a short term improvement.

Moreover, DeJesus makes 11 times what Rasmus does, and he has shit power.

Outside of Pujols and Holliday, there isn't one person on the Cardinals roster who has 15 homer power outside of Rasmus, who has legit 30-20 ability.

Colby Rasmus was the #3 prospect in all of baseball. This year, while being ****ed around by an idiot manager, he's put up better numbers than Justin Upton, and both are separated by less than a year.


duncan idaho, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point during your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'd also like to add that you have no idea what the Cardinals need.

They already have a better version of David DeJesus, he's called Jon Jay.

They don't need outfielders, they need middle infielders. The system is totally bereft (outside of Daniel Descalso and Zach Cox) of any MI help. One is close and is a utility player, and the other is 2-3 years away.

Just stop, and leave the thread. It's beyond embarrassing.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'd also like to add that you have no idea what the Cardinals need.

They already have a better version of David DeJesus, he's called Jon Jay.

They don't need outfielders, they need middle infielders. The system is totally bereft (outside of Daniel Descalso and Zach Cox) of any MI help. One is close and is a utility player, and the other is 2-3 years away.

Just stop, and leave the thread. It's beyond embarrassing.

First: I'm not a fan of mizzou on mizzou hate, but you're the biggest Internet prick I've ever been around. Congrats.

Second: who is the Cardinals leadoff hitter? Does Colby rasmus lead off? Could albert pujols use more chances to hit with guys on base? That's my point in the "short-term value" area. DeJesus might be more valuable out ofthe leadoff spot, playing every day, than Rasmus hitting 5 or 6 while losing at-bats as he sits on the bench and garbage vets like Winn get at-bats.
Third: Clearly, Rasmus wants out of St. Louis and the Cards' centerpiece wants him out, too. Btw, that hurts Rasmus trade value.
Fourth: I'm not suggesting a DeJesus for Rasmus swap. I'm including a guy in Duffy and in my original suggestion threw in a useful bullpen arm, but could go to multiple other options depending on want, ranging from high upside low-level guys to someone more ready but less toolsy.
Finally: I'm aware Rasmus was the No. 3 prospect in baseball. Hosmer, Moustakas, myers and Montgomery all will be top 20 guys this year, with Hosmer and Moose both likely top five. Moose likely is about to be BA's MiLB player of the year. So don't act like there is nothing in the Royals system that compares to Rasmus. You're wrong.

Hosmer and Wil Myers both will be better hitters than Rasmus. Same pop, same obp potential, much higher average hitters.