Cardinals ***Offical 2010 STL Cardinals Baseball Thread *** - Page 155

**BigRedChief** · 01-05-2010, 09:39 PM

Holliday signs. The Deal is Done. $120 Million over 7 years.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=stl

Signed or controlled for the next 2 years

Shumaker 2B
Rasmus CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Freese 3B
Ryan SS
And 2 CY Young caliber starting pitchers
Carp and Wainwright P

We get Lohse or Garcia to step up and be a reliable 3rd starter in the playoffs we can win a World Series with this line up.

siberian khatru · 09-06-2010, 12:14 AM

Duncan, I think you're just going to have to cave to Hamas' demands and give him what the Cards need: A power-hitting middle infielder.

Yes, I'm saying we trade St. Louis ... Yuniesky Betancourt.

duncan_idaho · 09-06-2010, 12:22 AM

Also: John Jay? Really? Look at his MiLB numbers and tell me you really think he'll duplicate this next season.

But hey, if you want your Cards to run out an Of of Holliday, Jay and Allen Craig, go right ahead.

If you weren't, well,you, and had read my original post, you ywould have seen: reasonably priced leadoff hitter/of (long-standing area of need + need opened by trade) a good pitching prospect in position to help faster than anything in the Cards' system, and an open spot.

2b Jonny Giavatelli could slide into the third spot just as easily as the reliever or high upside MiLB starter.

Hell, I'd even consider Christian Colon.

Rams Fan · 09-06-2010, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You shouldn't be eloquent when responding to one of the dumbest posts in the history of the internet.

You have to be an absolute ****ing reerun to suggest that David DeJesus, who is 7 years older, not cost controlled, and who has never had an OPS within 30 points of Rasmus' in his age 24 year alone would be a short term improvement.

Moreover, DeJesus makes 11 times what Rasmus does, and he has shit power.

Outside of Pujols and Holliday, there isn't one person on the Cardinals roster who has 15 homer power outside of Rasmus, who has legit 30-20 ability.

Colby Rasmus was the #3 prospect in all of baseball. This year, while being ****ed around by an idiot manager, he's put up better numbers than Justin Upton, and both are separated by less than a year.

duncan idaho, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point during your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Craig has 30-20 ability. The Cardinals traded Ludwick because Jay had 1 hot month.

Jewish Rabbi · 09-06-2010, 01:02 AM

Reasonably priced does not equal good, Duncan. I'd much rather trot out Skip, BRyan, Lopez, or Jay in the leadoff spot. Plus, they come at a much cheaper cost.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-06-2010, 02:07 AM

No one said Jon Jay was the second coming. He's a 4th outfielder, just like....David DeJesus.

Craig has a better future than Jay, as Rams fan notes.

Furthermore, if you knew anything about the Cards' farm system (you clearly don't, since you completely misread the needs of the team), you'd know that right handed relief pitching is one of the system's only strengths. We don't need another right handed reliever.

Salas is going to step into the 8th inning role sooner than later, Eduardo Sanchez is a right handed k-machine who has torn the Texas and Pacific Coast League apart this season. Jason Motte, despite being inconsistent as hell, has one of the best power arms in the NL, and Kyle McLellan is the most trust-worthy reliever.

All are young, cost-controlled right handed relievers.

So, explain to me again why we'd need to trade for DeJesus when we have Jay, another RRHP when we have the aforementioned four, and a projectable SP??

It would basically be the equivalent of the Chiefs trading Jamaal Charles for a dynamic kick returner and a run of the mill left guard.

duncan_idaho · 09-06-2010, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Reasonably priced does not equal good, Duncan. I'd much rather trot out Skip, BRyan, Lopez, or Jay in the leadoff spot. Plus, they come at a much cheaper cost.

Fair enough. That's a pretty bad leadoff situation, but OK.

I have a hard time seeing Craig as a 30/20 guy when he's never reached either total in the minors, even when repeating years.

And Hamas. Coleman was a first thought. As I mentioned in the original post, that could be changed to a second SP prospect or a middle infield guy like Giavatelli or even Colon as the negotiations extended.

I see DeJesus as a good fit because of his ability to lead off. You can call him a 4th OF if you want, but he'd start for most teams in baseball.

**BigRedChief** · 09-06-2010, 06:59 PM

No frigging way they are going to trade Rasmus. Period. He has the potential to be a 10 year All Star. You dont trade talent like that.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-06-2010, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

No frigging way they are going to trade Rasmus. Period. He has the potential to be a 10 year All Star. You dont trade talent like that.

But when you can pick up a guy like DDJ, who does every thing Jon Jay does, except not quite as well, for 10x as much, and add more RRHP help, when we clearly need so much, and another starting pitcher that is years away from helping a team that is built to win now, you clearly do it.

I only hope the Chiefs trade their 2011 1st round pick for Ray Rice. They need another dynamic RB with pass catching ability.

**BigRedChief** · 09-06-2010, 07:08 PM

Wellll at least we now know of one locker room issue. Bet, there is a lot more.....Ludwick trade etc

**Buck** · 09-06-2010, 07:12 PM

Ludwick ****ing sucks, btw.

**luv** · 09-06-2010, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

No frigging way they are going to trade Rasmus. Period. He has the potential to be a 10 year All Star. You dont trade talent like that.

Did they ever say why he's asking to be traded?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-06-2010, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv

Did they ever say why he's asking to be traded?

I would imagine it has to do with the fact that Tony LaRussa is a miserable one who sucks the penis with an obsession with playing inferior veterans (Winn, Schumaker) over superior young talent.

**BigRedChief** · 09-06-2010, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv

Did they ever say why he's asking to be traded?

He doesn't like sitting against left handed pitching. He doesn't like to be managed old school like Tony gives it to him. He's a product of the positive reinforcement era. Yelling at him doesn't motivate him.

raybec 4 · 09-06-2010, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv

Did they ever say why he's asking to be traded?

TLR pissed him off by trying to make him play hurt.

**Buck** · 09-06-2010, 07:22 PM

Ludwick hit .281 in 77 games with StL, he's hitting .218 in 33 games with SD. He's been shit as Adrian Gonzalez's protection, and hes most responsible for our 10 game losing streak, IMO.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-901038 VARSITY	*Offical 2010 STL Cardinals Baseball Thread * Holliday signs. The Deal is Done. $120 Million over 7 years. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=stl Signed or controlled for the next 2 years Shumaker 2B Rasmus CF Pujols 1B Holliday LF Ludwick RF Molina C Freese 3B Ryan SS And 2 CY Young caliber starting pitchers Carp and Wainwright P We get Lohse or Garcia to step up and be a reliable 3rd starter in the playoffs we can win a World Series with this line up.
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09-06-2010, 12:22 AM	#2312
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-2239692	Also: John Jay? Really? Look at his MiLB numbers and tell me you really think he'll duplicate this next season. But hey, if you want your Cards to run out an Of of Holliday, Jay and Allen Craig, go right ahead. If you weren't, well,you, and had read my original post, you ywould have seen: reasonably priced leadoff hitter/of (long-standing area of need + need opened by trade) a good pitching prospect in position to help faster than anything in the Cards' system, and an open spot. 2b Jonny Giavatelli could slide into the third spot just as easily as the reliever or high upside MiLB starter. Hell, I'd even consider Christian Colon. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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09-06-2010, 01:02 AM	#2314
Jewish Rabbi What's up braj? Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Placencia, Belize Casino cash: $-1906750	Reasonably priced does not equal good, Duncan. I'd much rather trot out Skip, BRyan, Lopez, or Jay in the leadoff spot. Plus, they come at a much cheaper cost.
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09-06-2010, 02:07 AM	#2315
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	No one said Jon Jay was the second coming. He's a 4th outfielder, just like....David DeJesus. Craig has a better future than Jay, as Rams fan notes. Furthermore, if you knew anything about the Cards' farm system (you clearly don't, since you completely misread the needs of the team), you'd know that right handed relief pitching is one of the system's only strengths. We don't need another right handed reliever. Salas is going to step into the 8th inning role sooner than later, Eduardo Sanchez is a right handed k-machine who has torn the Texas and Pacific Coast League apart this season. Jason Motte, despite being inconsistent as hell, has one of the best power arms in the NL, and Kyle McLellan is the most trust-worthy reliever. All are young, cost-controlled right handed relievers. So, explain to me again why we'd need to trade for DeJesus when we have Jay, another RRHP when we have the aforementioned four, and a projectable SP?? It would basically be the equivalent of the Chiefs trading Jamaal Charles for a dynamic kick returner and a run of the mill left guard. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-901038 VARSITY	No frigging way they are going to trade Rasmus. Period. He has the potential to be a 10 year All Star. You dont trade talent like that. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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09-06-2010, 07:08 PM	#2319
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-901038 VARSITY	Wellll at least we now know of one locker room issue. Bet, there is a lot more.....Ludwick trade etc __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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09-06-2010, 07:22 PM	#2325
Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $5880295	Ludwick hit .281 in 77 games with StL, he's hitting .218 in 33 games with SD. He's been shit as Adrian Gonzalez's protection, and hes most responsible for our 10 game losing streak, IMO.
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