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**alnorth** · 10:10 PM

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
KC	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	12	1
SF	1	0	1	0	2	3	4	0	X	11	16	0

Series Tied, 2-2

Jason Vargas 4IP 3R 3ER 2BB 3K
Jason Frasor ⅓IP 1R 1ER 0BB 0K
Danny Duffy ⅔IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Loss Brandon Finnegan 1IP 5R 5ER 2BB 0K
Tim Collins 2IP 2R 2ER 1BB 2K

VS.

Ryan Vogelsong 2⅔IP 4R 4ER 1BB 2K
Jean Machi ⅓IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Win Yusmeiro Petit 3IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Hold Jeremy Affeldt 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Sergio Romo 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Hunter Strickland 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

Home Runs

none

Starting Lineups

KC

1. Alcides Escobar, SS
2. Alex Gordon, LF
3. Lorenzo Cain, RF
4. Eric Hosmer, 1B
5. Mike Moustakas, 3B
5. Tim Collins, P
6. Omar Infante, 2B
7. Salvador Perez, C
8. Jarrod Dyson, CF
9. Jason Vargas, P
9. Jason Frasor, P
9. Danny Duffy, P
9. Norichika Aoki, ph
9. Brandon Finnegan, P
9. Jayson Nix, 3B

SF

1. Gregor Blanco, CF
2. Joe Panik, 2B
3. Buster Posey, C
4. Hunter Pence, RF
5. Pablo Sandoval, 3B
6. Brandon Belt, 1B
7. Juan Perez, LF
8. Brandon Crawford, SS
9. Ryan Vogelsong, P
9. Jean Machi, P
9. Matt Duffy, ph
9. Yusmeiro Petit, P
9. Jeremy Affeldt, P
9. Michael Morse, ph
9. Sergio Romo, P
9. Travis Ishikawa, ph
9. Hunter Strickland, P

Coach · 10-25-2014, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The baseball experts around here all agree that it doesn't exist.

Well, I'll just respectfully tell them that they're just flat out wrong.

See 1985 WS, Game 6 as evidence.
See 2003 NLCS, Game 6 as evidence.
See 2004 ALCS, Game 4 as evidence, which snowballed from there on out.

Coach · 10-25-2014, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

well, it doesn't. Momentum is not a real thing in baseball.

I disagree. It does. See post above.

**007** · 10-25-2014, 10:29 PM

Momentum absolutely exists in all sports. To say otherwise just plain dumb.

**alnorth** · 10-25-2014, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

I disagree with the "experts". There was a massive momentum shift when they tied the game and Aoki GIDP in the 6th.

quantify this so-called "momentum".

Do you think the players went "oh God this sucks, I don't wanna play hard anymore" or "oh yay, we're winning, time to amp it up!"

The players are going to do what they are going to do, based on what the situation calls for.

Belief in "momentum" is right up there with belief in voodoo magic or witchcraft in my book.

**ChiTown** · 10-25-2014, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru

Momentum absolutely exists in all sports. To say otherwise just plain dumb.

Save your fingers. I agree with you, but I won't even argue it with the Stat Geeks on here. You won't win

**Buehler445** · 10-25-2014, 10:31 PM

Well, that was a pisser.

**ChiTown** · 10-25-2014, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

quantify this so-called "momentum".

Do you think the players went "oh God this sucks, I don't wanna play hard anymore" or "oh yay, we're winning, time to amp it up!"

The players are going to do what they are going to do, based on what the situation calls for.

Belief in "momentum" is right up there with belief in voodoo magic or witchcraft in my book.

See post 2315

**alnorth** · 10-25-2014, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach

I disagree. It does. See post above.

Your evidence is nonsense.

Momentum does not exist. Pointing to a few times in history where a team suddenly goes on a roll only shows that sometimes something that has a 1-in-10 chance of happening, happens.

Chiefs Pantalones · 10-25-2014, 10:32 PM

MadBum has an ERA over 4 at AT&T Park this year.

**wazu** · 10-25-2014, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru

Momentum absolutely exists in all sports. To say otherwise just plain dumb.

Agree with this, but it turns on a dime and I have no idea how any of it actually works. Just keep playing hard and doing all you can with a positive attitude and good things usually happen.

GloryDayz · 10-25-2014, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

I disagree with the "experts". There was a massive momentum shift when they tied the game and Aoki GIDP in the 6th.

Butterfly effect... And had that situation not been totally ****ed up, who knows what would have happened? But that is certainly when the Royals 100% lost it mentally!

Coach · 10-25-2014, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

quantify this so-called "momentum".

Do you think the players went "oh God this sucks, I don't wanna play hard anymore" or "oh yay, we're winning, time to amp it up!"

The players are going to do what they are going to do, based on what the situation calls for.

Belief in "momentum" is right up there with belief in voodoo magic or witchcraft in my book.

The situation would have been different, if Aoki would have stopped being a dumbass, and think out of his brain (or Ned for that matter) that he should had bunted over Dyson to give the R's a RISP, with only one out. It would had stretched the game out longer, to annoy the SF pitcher and make it more tougher on them.

Instead, Aoki hits it right at the 1st baseman, pulls off a double play. Bam. I just knew.

Then SF just went ape shit after that.

What would had happened if Aoki would had bunted over Dyson to 2nd? We'll never know. But I would almost bet money that KC would have gotten the lead back, because Escobar was having a solid World Series.

**alnorth** · 10-25-2014, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Save your fingers. I agree with you, but I won't even argue it with the Stat Geeks on here. You won't win

You are basically saying momentum exists because you know it exists.

Well, it doesn't. If magical thinking makes you feel better, have at it.

Kaepernick · 10-25-2014, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge

That made me dizzy

You are more likely to split back to back games than win both of them. So whoever wins game 5 is just more likely to win the series.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-25-2014, 10:34 PM

Yeah, I remember when the Cardinals had all the momentum after Pujols put Brad Lidge into a sanitarium for three years.

What happened during the next game?

Oh, yeah. Roy Oswalt raped and murdered Busch Stadium.

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