***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

We have approx. 600 coronavirus unemployed for every 1 coronavirus death... Not saying one is worse than the other, but that can't continue forever.

It won't. States are going to start easing social distancing very soon.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Yes but mass gatherings and going back to USA preCoronaVirus is different than easing but not completely eliminating social distancing. Easing social distancing without a vaccine is fine but going back to how we were before probably won't work because the virus would start spreading again.

So if there is never an effective/scalable vaccine created, no mass crowds ever again?

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Either way it's not even an argument. 599 people are not going to live without a job so 600 people can live without a job when the alternative is 599 get\have a job and 1 doesn't live.

Random people.

What if 20% of those people were going to get a government funded raise during that year? What if 2% of those people don't even have or want jobs? What if 20% are already retired? What if only 10% of them stand to lose their business?



I just want to know if we can all go home if someone dies prior to the vote.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Coronavirus US live: first Covid-19 deaths were weeks earlier than originally thought
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...t-news-updates

This is just the latest from today....

People dying a couple of weeks earlier in February does not mean that COVID was in the US earlier. The article does not even say that.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

Here's an article from the LA Times stating that immunity tests are showing that there was a TON more people infected by this thing before testing even began:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ting-la-county

It also shows that the mortality rate as a result of this data has gone way down to .1-.2%. Now, this is not peer reviewed yet, the study was done by USC. But, the prevailing attitude is that this thing was around a lot longer than January\February. FWIW.

A lot more people being infected does not mean it was in the US earlier than previously thought.

However, the mortality rate going down is a good thing.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So if there is never an effective/scalable vaccine created, no mass crowds ever again?

That's a good question one that I'm not qualified to answer. I will say this, as a last resort, I think with mass testing we'd be able to create some type of guidelines for mass crowds without a vaccine.

However, I'd like to think we'll be able to create an effective vaccine. We'll see.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It would be a fascinating exercise to put 600 random people in a room and tell them that they have to vote to make a choice:

1. All of you will be unemployed for a year
2. One of you dies

You could go further even...

How many of the 599 unemployed or their family members would die during that year.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

You could go further even...

How many of the 599 unemployed or their family members would die during that year.

What if all 600 were from the same family.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

However, I'd like to think we'll be able to create an effective vaccine. We'll see.

There has never been an effective/scalable human vaccine created for any type of coronavirus since the coronavirus family was first discovered in humans 60 years ago.

The FDA has never approved a vaccine for coronaviruses.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

You could go further even...

How many of the 599 unemployed or their family members would die during that year.

What do you think the ratio would be if we weren't practicing social distancing? How many people would lose their jobs anyway due to people not going to restaurants, sporting events etc out of fear?

So many variables. With all due respect that ratio is a bit misleading.

[Monticore]

Daface is pretty tricky trying to get us to not argue about numbers he gave us different numbers to argue about.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

What if all 600 were from the same family.

I was implying that 599 people unemployed for a year would effect the normal mortality of them and their families...

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

What do you think the ratio would be if we weren't practicing social distancing? How many people would lose their jobs anyway due to people not going to restaurants, sporting events etc out of fear?

So many variables. With all due respect that ratio is a bit misleading.

Not 25 million and counting for every day we are closed longer...

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

I was implying that 599 people unemployed for a year would effect their normal mortality of them and their families...

They might not be unemployed for a year, and none could die.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It would be a fascinating exercise to put 600 random people in a room and tell them that they have to vote to make a choice:

1. All of you will be unemployed for a year
2. One of you dies

John, I'm going to go with option 2