***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by TLO

Yes I've read that.

5 people out of how many?

There are many complications to Viruses like these that would be considered rare but could happen with stuff like the Flu as well, my wife has patients who have developed seizure disorders from the flu and there are rare example of encephalitis that can happen with the flu also being seen with COVID.

Stroke is a risk of Influenza so I would assume it is a risk of COVID.

This also emphasizes the flu is no joke =COVID less of a joke.

[Monticore]

one article in found on stroke and influenza that explains some of the reasons there may be more out there .

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/n...artery-tears#1

in short these Viruses can wreak havoc on your body making anything possible, depending on your risk factors/health. The only thing we know at this point is it doesn't give orgasms.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Based on what?

Anything, including your doomsday opinions, are speculation at this point. We have never shut the world down before, but we have also never been readily connected on a global level.


Now go get ready to tell us how the Chiefs 1st round pick tonight wiill never see the field because the NFL is done for good or something.

[Marcellus]

This might explain part of the problem in NY.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/cuomo-...ragic-goodwin/

What an amazingly stupid policy.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This might explain part of the problem in NY.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/cuomo-...ragic-goodwin/

What an amazingly stupid policy.

That's happening here in MO as well. One of my employees has an family member that works overseeing homes in the area. They get patients sent to them from hospitals that end up having the virus. Supposedly they were tested at the hospital but the results from it didn't come until later? I'm not sure.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's happening here in MO as well. One of my employees has an family member that works overseeing homes in the area. They get patients sent to them from hospitals that end up having the virus. Supposedly they were tested at the hospital but the results from it didn't come until later? I'm not sure.

That's just insane, the one place you would want to be sure to protect I would think, are nursing homes.

There aren't many people in most of the hospitals leave them there to recover.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

That's just insane, the one place you would want to be sure to protect I would think, are nursing homes.

There aren't many people in most of the hospitals leave them there to recover.

Most patients well enough to leave the Hospital are sent home , in this case their homes are nursing homes but I agree unless you need the bed keeping them in Hospital would be ideal but I am not sure how your system works in regards to insurance being a factor etc..

I am not sure what our policies up here are like but our positive inpatient could have gone home last week but he is being kept here because mentally he would not be able to self isolate and would be a risk to the community. Might have been a Doctors call but our hospital makes more money when the beds are empty.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

That's just insane, the one place you would want to be sure to protect I would think, are nursing homes.

There aren't many people in most of the hospitals leave them there to recover.

I believe it has to do with insurance issues but she didn't really say what the reason was.

[O.city]

There's also a fairly substantial risk of nosocomial infections happening from the hospital, ideally, you get out of there as fast as you can.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Monticore

There are many complications to Viruses like these that would be considered rare but could happen with stuff like the Flu as well, my wife has patients who have developed seizure disorders from the flu and there are rare example of encephalitis that can happen with the flu also being seen with COVID.

Stroke is a risk of Influenza so I would assume it is a risk of COVID.

This also emphasizes the flu is no joke =COVID less of a joke.

Thanks for cleaning up poor reporting. Journalists do this all the time, which just further scares people. Another one listed earlier was that COVID-19 can also cause permanent damage to the lungs, but pneumonia can as well. Correct? They do this all the time.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

I believe it has to do with insurance issues but she didn't really say what the reason was.

It's a pretty standard practice we did in multidisciplinary rounds. Before we'd see patients, MDs would talk to PT, OT, and social work. Social workers would arrange placement in a skilled nursing facility pending insurance, and once it went through they'd transfer them.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Thanks for cleaning up poor reporting. Journalists do this all the time, which just further scares people. Another one listed earlier was that COVID-19 can also cause permanent damage to the lungs, but pneumonia can as well. Correct? They do this all the time.

Yeah unfortunately getting clicks trumps transparency sometimes.

Yes you can get permanent lung damage from influenza whether COVID has a similar or increased or decreased risk I don't think they know again preexisting conditions/genetics etc.. all play a part .

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

There's also a fairly substantial risk of nosocomial infections happening from the hospital, ideally, you get out of there as fast as you can.

Also this , last thing a COVID patient needs is catching something else.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Thanks for cleaning up poor reporting. Journalists do this all the time, which just further scares people. Another one listed earlier was that COVID-19 can also cause permanent damage to the lungs, but pneumonia can as well. Correct? They do this all the time.

Most people like having their answers in black or white , the medical world doesn't work like that unfortunately .

[displacedinMN]

Looks like Minnesota will be out of school/distance learning the rest of the year.