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**luv** · 04-29-2007, 11:15 PM

The more I learn about it, the more I love it. I never knew how complex it was. This is the first year that I've gotten into the draft, and it's made it that much more exciting. I so can't wait for the season to start!

Oh, and thanks to those I have driven crazy with questions. You know who you are. I appreciate it.

**luv** · 05-13-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

For Chiefs fans, yes. This will be an intriguing year. Will our D see the boost we've been waiting for? Will the O keeps its head above water? Will Croyle stumble or will he show potential? Do we have the kicker we need?

For anybody else who has no special interest in the Chiefs like we do, we will not be a very fun team to watch. Our OL is going to be pretty weak, all our WRs are young and inexperienced outside of Kennison, Croyle's a no-name as far as the market's concerned, and the Cover 2 isn't exactly the sexiest defense out there.

I've heard several people complain about the Cover 2. From my limited knowledge, it seems like a pretty good defense. What don't you like about it?

I can see how a man-to-man defense would be good. Everyone is responsible for their offensive counterpart. I relate that to the man-on-man defense of basketball. If we have a good enough defense, we might be able to double team. Is that terminology correct for football as well?

Direckshun · 05-13-2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

I've heard several people complain about the Cover 2. From my limited knowledge, it seems like a pretty good defense. What don't you like about it?

I can see how a man-to-man defense would be good. Everyone is responsible for their offensive counterpart. I relate that to the man-on-man defense of basketball. If we have a good enough defense, we might be able to double team. Is that terminology correct for football as well?

It's really hard for me to complain about the Cover 2. Tony Dungy (current HC for the Colts) was the HC of the Super Bowl champions Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He implemented the Cover 2 for that team, and they won the Super Bowl.

Guess who else was on that coaching staff? Lovie Smith (current HC of the Bears), and Herm Edwards. Lovie Smith implements the Cover 2 in Chicago, and they go the Super Bowl. Tony Dungy implements the Cover 2 in Indianapolis, and he wins the Super Bowl. Herm Edwards implements it here, and turns a sorry-ass defense into a Top 10 contender this year.

It churns out results. I can't deny that. I'm for whatever gets our D better.

My only concerns this year is that Donnie Edwards may lose a step at his age (LBs have to cover a lot of ground), and that for a defense that relies heavily on its safeties, we're starting two very young guys there -- let's hope they're really good.

As for double-teams, they do exist in football. Most often, they exist as "brackets" -- Tony G has to face these all the time. One defender plays in front of the player, and another plays behind him, "bracketing" him in.

acesn8s · 05-13-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

I've heard several people complain about the Cover 2. From my limited knowledge, it seems like a pretty good defense. What don't you like about it?

I can see how a man-to-man defense would be good. Everyone is responsible for their offensive counterpart. I relate that to the man-on-man defense of basketball. If we have a good enough defense, we might be able to double team. Is that terminology correct for football as well?

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**luv** · 05-13-2007, 01:50 AM

As much as I could go on talking about this, I'll save anything else for later. I'm going on about 3 hours of sleep for the past 36 hours, and I have the day to spend with my mom tomorrow. I'm sure I'll pick up on this later. As for now, I'm crashing hard. Thanks for your time and the more than adequate answers, Direckshun.

Direckshun · 05-13-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

As much as I could go on talking about this, I'll save anything else for later. I'm going on about 3 hours of sleep for the past 36 hours, and I have the day to spend with my mom tomorrow. I'm sure I'll pick up on this later. As for now, I'm crashing hard. Thanks for your time and the more than adequate answers, Direckshun.

Good night, and long live football.

keg in kc · 05-13-2007, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

It's really hard for me to complain about the Cover 2. Tony Dungy (current HC for the Colts) was the HC of the Super Bowl champions Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He implemented the Cover 2 for that team, and they won the Super Bowl.

Guess who else was on that coaching staff? Lovie Smith (current HC of the Bears), and Herm Edwards. Lovie Smith implements the Cover 2 in Chicago, and they go the Super Bowl. Tony Dungy implements the Cover 2 in Indianapolis, and he wins the Super Bowl.

A couple of things to clear up, although they don't directly pertain to the point you're making:

1. Dungy wasn't HC when Tampa Bay won the Superbowl. Jon Gruden was. Dungy had been roundly criticized in Tampa for the long-time failures of the Bucs offense (similar to what we're hearing about Edwards now).
2. Smith and Edwards were on Dungy's staff, but not during the Superbowl season. In 2001 (Dungy's last season, the year before the Superbowl run), Lovie Smith left to become the DC in St. Louis while Edwards was named the Jets head coach.

Direckshun · 05-13-2007, 02:19 AM

Shit. Thanks for clearing that up.

milkman · 05-13-2007, 06:48 AM

A couple of corrections here.

Rudy Niswanger was an undrafted free agent rookie last season.
No one has been "waiting" for him to take over for Wiegman, though some of us hope that he can.

Ron Edwards played in Buffalo for D-Line coach Tim Krumrie before signing with the Chiefs as a free gent.

Otter · 05-13-2007, 10:23 AM

Thread title should have been "I Luv Football".

**luv** · 05-13-2007, 11:10 PM

Okay, explain restricted free agents to me in layman's terms.

Restricted free agent
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Cite This Source

In the National Football League, a restricted free agent is one with three accrued seasons of service. He has received a "qualifying" offer (a salary level predetermined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and its players) from his old club. He can negotiate with any club through a certain date. If the restricted free agent accepts an offer sheet from a new club, his old club can match the offer and retain him because it has the "right of first refusal." If the old club does not match the offer, it can possibly receive draft-choice compensation depending on the amount of its qualifying offer. If an offer sheet is not executed, the player's rights revert to his old club the day after negotiations must end.

I think I understand this, but I don't understand the outcome with JA, I guess. No one made an offer, so he belongs ot the Chiefs. What if he refuses to accept the terms set before him by the Chiefs at this point?

**luv** · 05-13-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

(from another thread) Not really. If he doesn't want what we offer, he'll hold out.

What happens if he doesn't come to an agreement?

Direckshun · 05-13-2007, 11:24 PM

I'm going to need people to grade my homework here, because I'm not fluent in free agency.

My understanding is that Jared Allen can hold out as long as he desires if he doesn't like what he's being offered.

But he's extremely unlikely to do that, because the Chiefs have offered him a generous-yet-fair offer and JA does actually want to play in KC.

keg in kc · 05-13-2007, 11:26 PM

This is mostly off-the-cuff, and I hope it's correct. It may not be.

IIRC, no teams were able to make an offer because Jared refused to sign the qualifying offer sheet the Chiefs presented him early in March. I believe he has to sign that sheet by June 15th (although I don't know what happens if he doesn't). That's irrelevant with regards to other teams signing him. The deadline for that was (I think) the Friday a week before the draft. The Chiefs would have had a week to match the offer made by the new team.

If the Chiefs had not matched the offer, had Jared signed it and a new team made him a contract offer, the new team that signed Jared would've had to send KC 1st and 3rd round draft choices for him.

keg in kc · 05-13-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

because the Chiefs have offered him a generous-yet-fair offer and JA does actually want to play in KC.

I don't know that I'd refer to the offer as generous or fair, it was simply the league-mandated maximum tender amount for a restricted free agent.

**luv** · 05-13-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

This is mostly off-the-cuff, and I hope it's correct. It may not be.

IIRC, no teams were able to make an offer because Jared refused to sign the qualifying offer sheet the Chiefs presented him early in March. I believe he has to sign that sheet by June 15th (although I don't know what happens if he doesn't). That's irrelevant with regards to other teams signing him. The deadline for that was (I think) the Friday a week before the draft. The Chiefs would have had a week to match the offer made by the new team.

If the Chiefs had not matched the offer, had Jared signed it and a new team made him a contract offer, the new team that signed Jared would've had to send KC 1st and 3rd round draft choices for him.

Ah, so no one felt he was worth 1st and 3rd round draft picks.

04-29-2007, 11:15 PM
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1270000	I love football The more I learn about it, the more I love it. I never knew how complex it was. This is the first year that I've gotten into the draft, and it's made it that much more exciting. I so can't wait for the season to start! Oh, and thanks to those I have driven crazy with questions. You know who you are. I appreciate it.
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05-13-2007, 01:50 AM	#229
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1270000	As much as I could go on talking about this, I'll save anything else for later. I'm going on about 3 hours of sleep for the past 36 hours, and I have the day to spend with my mom tomorrow. I'm sure I'll pick up on this later. As for now, I'm crashing hard. Thanks for your time and the more than adequate answers, Direckshun.
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05-13-2007, 02:19 AM	#232
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Shit. Thanks for clearing that up.
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05-13-2007, 06:48 AM	#233
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	A couple of corrections here. Rudy Niswanger was an undrafted free agent rookie last season. No one has been "waiting" for him to take over for Wiegman, though some of us hope that he can. Ron Edwards played in Buffalo for D-Line coach Tim Krumrie before signing with the Chiefs as a free gent. __________________
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05-13-2007, 11:10 PM	#235
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1270000	Okay, explain restricted free agents to me in layman's terms. Restricted free agent Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Cite This Source In the National Football League, a restricted free agent is one with three accrued seasons of service. He has received a "qualifying" offer (a salary level predetermined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and its players) from his old club. He can negotiate with any club through a certain date. If the restricted free agent accepts an offer sheet from a new club, his old club can match the offer and retain him because it has the "right of first refusal." If the old club does not match the offer, it can possibly receive draft-choice compensation depending on the amount of its qualifying offer. If an offer sheet is not executed, the player's rights revert to his old club the day after negotiations must end. I think I understand this, but I don't understand the outcome with JA, I guess. No one made an offer, so he belongs ot the Chiefs. What if he refuses to accept the terms set before him by the Chiefs at this point?
Posts: 63,567

05-13-2007, 11:24 PM	#237
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I'm going to need people to grade my homework here, because I'm not fluent in free agency. My understanding is that Jared Allen can hold out as long as he desires if he doesn't like what he's being offered. But he's extremely unlikely to do that, because the Chiefs have offered him a generous-yet-fair offer and JA does actually want to play in KC.
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05-13-2007, 11:26 PM	#238
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	This is mostly off-the-cuff, and I hope it's correct. It may not be. IIRC, no teams were able to make an offer because Jared refused to sign the qualifying offer sheet the Chiefs presented him early in March. I believe he has to sign that sheet by June 15th (although I don't know what happens if he doesn't). That's irrelevant with regards to other teams signing him. The deadline for that was (I think) the Friday a week before the draft. The Chiefs would have had a week to match the offer made by the new team. If the Chiefs had not matched the offer, had Jared signed it and a new team made him a contract offer, the new team that signed Jared would've had to send KC 1st and 3rd round draft choices for him.
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