ESPN gave us a B draft grade. Does that make the pessimist happier?

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

If they'd been that good, they wouldn't have fallen that far.

Who is your QB, and what round was he taken in?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Not picking "my guy" doesn't necessarily mean they made a mistake, in other words.

That's a lesson it took me a few years to learn, albeit mostly watching other teams' drafts.

BJ Raji was far from "my guy," but I wouldn't have called it a mistake had they taken him.

At least he plays an impact position and could justify the draft position.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Who is your QB, and what round was he taken in?

As a prospect, Brady was a 6th rounder, nothing more. What's your point?

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

As a prospect, Brady was a 6th rounder, nothing more. What's your point?

What's your point of being on our board all you have done is troll.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

BJ Raji was far from "my guy," but I wouldn't have called it a mistake had they taken him.

At least he plays an impact position and could justify the draft position.

I believed the Chiefs were going to select Raji or Crabtree, and said as much in threads leading up to the draft.

What I find most surprising, however, is what this draft says about the organization's view of Dorsey. I just don't see it...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I believed the Chiefs were going to select Raji or Crabtree, and said as much in threads leading up to the draft.

What I find most surprising, however, is what this draft says about the organization's view of Dorsey. I just don't see it...

Really? I say it says a lot about Hali, McBride and Tyler....if anything.

[ChiefRon]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I know where your coming from, and in the past, I've been able to do just that - because I was fully confident that Carl would **** it up.

But even though Pioli was never my 1st choice from the get-go, I expected a shit-ton more from a guy that people seem to think was the brains behind the Patriots dynasty.

Like this draft or hate it, there was a ton of value left on the board, and we passed every time. I mean, if you knew nothing about Carl being fired and Pioli being hired, you'd assume this draft was the work of Carl Peterson - and that is unacceptable, IMO.

This is where I'm at with this draft.

Everyone if the whole f'n NFL has been saying how we got the best GM in football, so I guess my expectations were higher than CP.

And the 1st thing he does is trade a high #2 (almost a #1) for career backup, bypass good players at areas of need in FA, and then executes several picks in the draft that seem like reaches.

I had faith in DV and Herm and where did that get me? So I just can't be a "blind homer" any longer.

I'm very frustrated, but I hope I'm proven wrong. Hey, at least our division didn't get much better and maybe a year or two we look back on this and everyone says "Damn, that's why he's the best GM in football."

I sure hope so.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Really? I say it says a lot about Hali, McBride and Tyler....if anything.

I'm talking about the implicit statement that Dorsey can play DT in a 3-4.

McBride and Tyler will be in the rotation.

I don't give a flying **** about Hali, who now has no role on this team.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by ChiefRon

This is where I'm at with this draft.

Everyone if the whole f'n NFL has been saying how we got the best GM in football, so I guess my expectations were higher than CP.

And the 1st thing he does is trade a high #2 (almost a #1) for career backup, bypass good players at areas of need in FA, and then executes several picks in the draft that seem like reaches.

I had faith in DV and Herm and where did that get me? So I just can't be a "blind homer" any longer.

I'm very frustrated, but I hope I'm proven wrong. Hey, at least our division didn't get much better and maybe a year or two we look back on this and everyone says "Damn, that's why he's the best GM in football."

I sure hope so.

This.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

As a prospect, Brady was a 6th rounder, nothing more. What's your point?

That you're a hypocritical piece of shit, bashing these late round guys as sucking as a virtue of their draft position when the entire back of your ****ing dynasty is built on a 6th round QB.

[2bikemike]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's the thing. You expected more of what? We have no idea what is going to happen with these guys. This draft could end up being the cornerstone of a Super Bowl run. What we percieve as value isn't the same as what an NFL team sees as value, as evidenced by the fact that all but about 3 teams had at least one if not 2 total WTF picks in rounds 2 through 5.

I agree with this. All the people eying the drafts and making predictions on the draft, and even those selecting in the draft don't have all the answers. Sure they hit on quite a few truths, But they miss on quite a few as well. History will be the judge. If you look back at the history you will see a lot of top picks that Ryan Leafed, and a lot of late round picks that became superstars like Brady or Terrell Davis.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

What's your point of being on our board all you have done is troll.

I'm not trolling. Of course, you do like to follow Hamas around and sniff his ass, so it's not surprising that you'd take this approach. Here's a little reality for you:

One other aspect of the call that stood out was Casserly listing the percentages of landing a starting player in the draft.

Casserly cited on a 10-year study – which evaluated drafts after four years had passed – and listed the following numbers of success:

# First round – 75 percent
# Second round – 50 percent
# Third round – 30 percent
# Fourth round – 25 percent
# Fifth round – 20 percent
# Sixth round – 9 percent
# Seventh round – 9 percent

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...ly_billic.html

So pissing about the value of players that dropped into the the 4th round and below when you've never seen your GM/coach tandem work a draft is just idiotic. Hell, even the 3rd round is less than a 1-in-3 chance of getting a starter.

It's not that Hamas and company definitely don't have a point, because only time will provide that answer. It's that Hamas and company have no idea whether or not they have a point, but they act as if they know it for a fact.

[Mecca]

Even with Tyson Jackson being the first pick I'm not going to excuse taking Magee over Gilbert or all the other horrendous value moves they made today.

[Cormac]

It's pretty clear from the Pioli/Haley quotes that our biggest need was a 3-4 DE and we got 2 of the top 3 guys at that position with our first 2 picks.

Obviously they think that we can get by with Edwards/Tank at NT with Dorsey/Jackson/Magee as DEs better than we could with Raji at NT and some other fill-in at DE.

It also seems (worryingly) that they have little idea how Dorsey will pan out. I hope he plays well enough so that we can get value out of him. He's definitely a talented player, and so far he hasn't had any opportunity to show what he can do, IMO.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 2bikemike

I agree with this. All the people eying the drafts and making predictions on the draft, and even those selecting in the draft don't have all the answers. Sure they hit on quite a few truths, But they miss on quite a few as well. History will be the judge. If you look back at the history you will see a lot of top picks that Ryan Leafed, and a lot of late round picks that became superstars like Brady or Terrell Davis.

Piloi's 3 SB rings tell me he knows more than Kiper or anyone on the Planet.

Just saying....