Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 16

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

People may not like it, but he started his GM responsibilities by talking about the evaluation of existing talent and he talked about patience and being methodical.

That's fine and all but he has shown absolutely no ability in terms of evaluating players.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:15 PM

Pioli has done such a great job with over 40 players hes brought in..2 are better than the guy they replaced and several are worse than the guy they replaced.

I'm pumped.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I'm not excusing his horrible draft and he didn't begin to build the Chiefs the way I would have, but here is what Pioli said the day he was hired:

Q: How do you build a team, through the draft or free agency or a combination?
PIOLI: “I think the process begins by getting a better grasp on the talent that is here. We will be multi-tasking at the Senior Bowl and as we do our college evaluation. I want to get a better grasp on this football team and know these players that are here.

He also said: "This is going to be a very methodical process in building this football team, and we’re going to start from the ground up and build a foundation, move ahead, and touch every part of the football operation. The patience that I know Clark has told me he’s going to show it going to be rewarded."

People may not like it, but he started his GM responsibilities by talking about the evaluation of existing talent and he talked about patience and being methodical.

These people are way too smart to have to go through all the things that he's talking about there. It's really simple. Pioli is just a Moron.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Exactly.

If talent evaluation could be done by watching tape, why the hell do GMs show up at schools to watch players, work players out, or even attend the combine? There's plenty of "tape" to keep them from having to do that.

Could one of you please answer this question for me?

He saw these players in OTA's and training camp. It doesn't take an entire season.

Plus, we're talking about the Executive of the Century, not just some random dumbass, right? Or are we?

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Maybe it didn't take a whole season, but it took longer than he had before the season began.

Not to mention trying to put together a coaching staff, moving his family, etc. etc,.

I could give two shits about Pioli's family. I'm sorry.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 01:19 PM

Oh yeah I did read that.

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"He definitely does not have to do that," Studebaker said. "I was really impressed that a guy who has won three Super Bowl rings would make time for a second-year player and teach him the ropes."
Vrabel "coached me up", Studebaker said.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You realize you are essentially saying let's give him a pass because he's kinda slow, right?

I don't see other new GM's getting these excuses as they actually help their teams get better.

Which 1st year GMs are you referring to?

Just curious.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I could give two shits about Pioli's family. I'm sorry.

Every excuse in the book right? He has a job to do I don't care about his family or that he needs a serving of spaghetti every 2 hours.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Oh yeah I did read that.

Exactly what was expected of him, and why he's here

philfree · 12-16-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Pioli didn't "stand pat."

He turned over 65 percent of the roster.

FAIL

Maybe that's a bad choice of words and not really what I meant to say. He didn't bring in high profile free agents to replace the players that were here. He started with the players here and then he brought in players to compete. He's not trying to just put a roster in place he's trying to build a roster from the ground up. They never said they were gonna do anything different then that.

PhilFree

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Which 1st year GMs are you referring to?

Just curious.

Well hey Atlanta's GM is from NE, apparently he isn't as incompetent as Pioli as his first draft built a foundation and ours built a pile of shit.

But I guess I should believe that was purely blind luck with the shit I've seen posted in this thread right?

Chiefnj2 · 12-16-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Pioli has done such a great job with over 40 players hes brought in..2 are better than the guy they replaced and several are worse than the guy they replaced.

I'm pumped.

You do realize that the vast majority of those players were not given long term contracts and are stop gaps for this season, right?

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Oh yeah I did read that.

"Tyler Thigpen should be the starting QB. He's earned that right." /Gonzo

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You do realize that the vast majority of those players were not given long term contracts and are stop gaps for this season, right?

What have they stopped? Not the run. Not a constant ooze of shit.

If you're tossing away the season, please explain why we aren't at least playing young guys who might have upside?

Why would guys like Mike Brown ever see the field?

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I could give two shits about Pioli's family. I'm sorry.

I know.

You also think that you can evaluate an entire defunct roster by "watching tape".

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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