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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

In this rare instance, yes. but history wouldn't bear that out. Just because someone wins the lottery doesn't mean buying lottery tickets is a sound investment.

Here's the deal: the guy burned you once, really, really badly I might add. He humiliated your coverage unit.

Thus, you don't give him an opportunity to do it again.

This has nothing to do with luck, lightning, or lotteries, and everything to do with a complete lack of common sense from our HC. The same dumbass who called TO, ostensibly, to ensure that we had an opportunity to kick to Cribbs, again.

**SAUTO** · 12-21-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

To Jason saying don't kick the ball to Cribbs means kicking it out of bounds, I swear.

This is a futile effort and makes me wish ill upon him.

we kicked the ball away from him later. guess what? he still got to it, then we squibbed it and gave them great field position
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Mecca · 12-21-2009, 08:35 PM

Look at Deez with a logical post explaining how this works.

What is the argument here Jason, that because the team sucks that excuses Haley doing stupid shit?

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Look at Deez with a logical post explaining how this works.

What is the argument here Jason, that because the team sucks that excuses Haley doing stupid shit?

Haley has nothing to work with, and this causes him to act as though he's never watched a football game, much less coached one, on Sundays.

There. Is. No. Excuse.

Haley has been pathetic.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-21-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Don't fail at epic levels.

"We're running a business"?

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 08:47 PM

If it means that Whitlock will have a stroke and the 4 horsemen will have another season of bitching and nitpicking....

Then I am all for it!

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 08:48 PM

Spite, FTMFW.

Dottefan · 12-21-2009, 08:52 PM

I`m not sold on Haley...but not ready to give up on him either.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

If it means that Whitlock will have a stroke and the 4 horsemen will have another season of bitching and nitpicking....

Then I am all for it!

Are you for real?

The same guy who stated he was "proud" to watch the Chiefs under Haley for the first time in years?

This season has been nothing but a ****ing abortion. They don't know how to evaluate talent, they don't know how to coach and they don't know how to draft.

If Al Davis hadn't been hell-bent on proving that JaMarcus Russell was a true NFL QB, the Chiefs would be 2-12. If Polumalu & Roethisberger hadn't been injured, this team would be 1-13.

It's a ****ing joke.

Yet people defend them as if it's the 1980's 49er dynasty.

What a bunch of dumb****s.

Brock · 12-21-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

we kicked the ball away from him later. guess what? he still got to it, then we squibbed it and gave them great field position
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They never got better field position than their own 30 on a kickoff. That isn't "great field position".

ChiefsCountry · 12-21-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If Al Davis hadn't been hell-bent on proving that JaMarcus Russell was a true NFL QB, the Chiefs would be 2-12.

Well that FatTurd did beat us the first time.

Brock · 12-21-2009, 08:58 PM

Reerun is under the unfortunate misconception that haley is somehow better than Herm.

Pablo · 12-21-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

Count me as one who believes in the concept of continuity within an organization... and that a coach should be given a fair shot.

No one would say that Haley is doing a particularly good job this year, but the organization obviously believes he is capable of doing a good job in the near future.

I would rather give Haley the opportunity to learn from his mistakes (as a first year ****ing coach) than to undergo yet another god damn regime change.

Continuity.

You can't be patient at all. They've had 14 games. That's the appropriate window for a GM/HC tandem.

TIME TO CUT BAIT.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

They never got better field position than their own 30 on a kickoff. That isn't "great field position".

Well, there went that excuse. Are we left with option B: Haley is a complete ****ing moron?

Pablo · 12-21-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Reerun is under the unfortunate misconception that haley is somehow better than Herm.

I just hope he's smart enough to fire his entire ****ing staff and bring in a competent DC and an inventive OC. If he isn't; then it's career suicide.

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2997187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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