Football Leach Fired - Page 16

**Old Dog** · 12-30-2009, 12:12 PM

per ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls0...ory?id=4781981

CBSsportsline linked article as well:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/12724022
LUBBOCK, Texas -- Texas Tech has fired football coach Mike Leach.

The school handed a termination letter to Leach's attorney, Ted Liggett, on Wednesday just before the two sides were to appear in a Lubbock, Texas, courtroom for a hearing on the coach's suspension.

Liggett says the letter says Leach is "terminated with cause effective immediately."

Leach was suspended by the university on Monday while the school investigated allegations that he mistreated an injured player.

Receiver Adam James alleges Leach twice confined him to small, dark spaces during practice after the player was diagnosed with a concussion.

Texas Tech plays Michigan State on Saturday in the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio.

vailpass · 12-30-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

Yeah, why not let the inmates run the asylum? That always works out.

It did on True Genius. Sometimes on Welcome back Kotter though that prick Woodman was always trying to ruin the fun.

beer bacon · 12-30-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're an idiot.

If the kid was a malcontent, kick him off the team.

Don't lock him in a ****ing closet with a guard at the door.

JFC.

If Leach would have kicked him off the team, the same thing would have happened. So, say Leach kicks Adam off the team and takes his scholarship away. Daddy Craig goes and complains to AD and leaks everything to his buddies at ESPN. ESPN runs with it. Tech's AD fires Leach "with cause" for mistreating an injured player.

**Old Dog** · 12-30-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

I didn't think you were being anything other than helpful; my thanks were sincere.

Just 'splainin in case you thought I was.

**jAZ** · 12-30-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There was a guard placed outside this room so he couldn't leave.

The bottom line is that he should have been excused from practice, especially if he was already considered a lazy-ass that didn't care.

This is what happens when football coaches, drunk on the power of a $2 million dollar contract, put themselves above their players.

There is no way the room was locked and no way that an grad asst coach trainer would keep this kid from walking out. He stayed becuse he wanted to keep his scholarship. But he could have walked away. He wasn't literally locked up.

vailpass · 12-30-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by truebigdog

Just 'splainin in case you thought I was.

Thanks, all good.

beer bacon · 12-30-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're an idiot.

If the kid was a malcontent, kick him off the team.

Don't lock him in a ****ing closet with a guard at the door.

JFC.

He wasn't locked in a closet. How many times does this need to be said?

Brock · 12-30-2009, 04:43 PM

This cat was in the bag a long time ago.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by truebigdog

Because the kid (by numerous accounts of others) had a history of being a lazy ass at practice and essentially wanted nothing more than to not be at practice. He had already been cleared by medical to participate to some extent at practice.
He put the kid there to help aleviate his photophobia, yet NOT give the kid what he wanted.

We'll disagree

The bottom line is that he should have been kicked off or suspended from the team for his action prior to the concussion.

Sticking him in a closet is in no way, shape or form proper treatment of a concussion.

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Originally Posted by truebigdog

You claimed that you did participate in sports. Even at a lower level (high school football I believe you said) if a player cannot participate in practice are they not generally to be at practice anyway if opportunity presents?

It depends on whether or not it's a season ending injury or a week to week injury.

Either way, Leach handled this situation very carelessly and IMO (and obviously the university's as well), very stupidly.

vailpass · 12-30-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

There is no way the room was locked and no way that an grad asst coach trainer would keep this kid from walking out. He stayed becuse he wanted to keep his scholarship. But he could have walked away. He wasn't literally locked up.

"Your honor these athletes are conditioned from the time they are young boys that a coach's word is law. By the time they get to college that belief is so deeply ingrained as to become a virtual physical law. They may not have been the kind of locks you can see your honor but the instant Coach Leach ordered that concussed, confused young man to stay in that shed there were locks on that door all the same.The kind of locks that can't be broken, can't be picked, the kind that can only be removed by the same coach who placed them there in the first place."

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

There is no way the room was locked and no way that an grad asst coach trainer would keep this kid from walking out. He stayed becuse he wanted to keep his scholarship. But he could have walked away. He wasn't literally locked up.

Oh, well that makes everything alright.

**jAZ** · 12-30-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Maybe some of these high-school glory-days guys can tell you how much authority a college football coach's word carries. How if he tells you to stay in that room without moving or leaving or you will be off this team then that is exactly what you do.

That's exactly my point. He wasn't locked up at all. He was following orders of his coach just like any other player would if he's told to run for 3 hours. And Leach's order seems to me to be a complete non-threat of an order. It's not like he made a kid with a concussion do the OK drill or even 100 sit ups. He told him to stand in the equipment locker (shaded and airconditioned, if I heard it right) and stay standing for 3 hours, just like the rest of the players who are practicing have to do. And he put someone there to watch him to make sure he didn't sit down or lean on anything.

It's nothing more than what just about every football coach demands of any player at any level. Only he gets an airconditioned, shaded room to do it in because he has a consussion.

There is nothing wrong with that story, IMO. NOthing. If that's what happened, Leach is completely in the clear. If something else happened, then we'll see what develops.

Brock · 12-30-2009, 04:47 PM

DID YOU ORDER THE CODE READ

**jAZ** · 12-30-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, well that makes everything alright.

Had they actually locked the kid in the room, it would make all the difference in the world.

**Old Dog** · 12-30-2009, 04:49 PM

I don't know that you understand how D1 scholarships work, a players cannot lose a scholarship "just because". If there are not documented circumstances of refusal to participate, illegal activity, or such as that it is fairly hard to terminate one.

Now they CAN be reduced rather easily, but that's a whole different animal.

**jAZ** · 12-30-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

DID YOU ORDER THE CODE READ

There is definately a hazing element to this.

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Old Dog Supporter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Central Kansas Casino cash: $2420201	I don't know that you understand how D1 scholarships work, a players cannot lose a scholarship "just because". If there are not documented circumstances of refusal to participate, illegal activity, or such as that it is fairly hard to terminate one. Now they CAN be reduced rather easily, but that's a whole different animal.
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