How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by aturnis

The Bills are as close to the Chiefs as a different team can get. Great talent everywhere but QB. They are doomed to the same fate we are. They can beat any team in the league and they can lose to any team, all b/c of the QB. What's your point?

My point is maybe this roster isn't as talented as you think.

[O.city]

So where does the roster need upgrading?


Sorry, but just trying to stir up some football talk instead of pissing matches.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by O.city

So where does the roster need upgrading?


Sorry, but just trying to stir up some football talk instead of pissing matches.

I don't know.

We play a lot of good teams this year so we might have holes we don't even know about.

Stanford Routt might be the second coming of William Bartee this year.

EVERYONE on here thought we would slobberknock the Bills before Week 1 last season. Including me.

How'd that work out? I've learned to lower my expectations with this regime.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, i'd pay Bowe that.



And in 20/20 hindsight? I'd throw a shit ton of draft picks at the Panthers last year and take Cam.

That's great. Would you have done it draft day without hindsight?

We lose who?

Jonathan Baldwin
Rodney Hudson
Justin Houston
Allen Bailey
Poe
2013 #1

Still take him on draft day without hindsight?

I like Pioli's strategy, pick good players at good value, and eventually you will have a roster stocked with talent, manageable for the future and at a good price.

When you believe the guy is there, you make a move for a franchise QB. In the draft, b/c volume of picks isn't nearly as important when the shelf is stocked, you can afford to make a move without hurting the team. Or in FA b/c you have the money to outbid anyone.

Now your young QB has a HUGE leg up to succeed. A bad start can ruin a young talented QB. If he's the guy, your team now has a 10-15 year window, as opposed to wasting the first 3-5 years of his career trying to build a team around him, or ruining his confidence altogether.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by O.city

So where does the roster need upgrading?


Sorry, but just trying to stir up some football talk instead of pissing matches.

I think the point being made is that most of the roster has question marks. It has a lot of talent, but that talent is unproven. 5 games or 1 year doesn't make a career.

We're in "wait and see" mode on a lot of guys that some fans have already (very optimistically) chalked up as impact players.

People seem to be taking for granted the fact that not every player lives up to his potential, or that draftniks aren't always right.

People are just setting themselves up for disappointment, because it's highly unlikely that all these young guys pan out, much less become "impact players."

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by aturnis

I like Pioli's strategy, pick good players at good value,

Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCluster and Dontari Poe say hello.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Toad King

Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCluster and Dontari Poe say hello.

First off, we don't know about Poe yet, so I'll wait on that one.



Second off, the other two........well yea those are right

[O.city]

Originally Posted by aturnis

That's great. Would you have done it draft day without hindsight?

We lose who?

Jonathan Baldwin
Rodney Hudson
Justin Houston
Allen Bailey
Poe
2013 #1

Still take him on draft day without hindsight?

I like Pioli's strategy, pick good players at good value, and eventually you will have a roster stocked with talent, manageable for the future and at a good price.

When you believe the guy is there, you make a move for a franchise QB. In the draft, b/c volume of picks isn't nearly as important when the shelf is stocked, you can afford to make a move without hurting the team. Or in FA b/c you have the money to outbid anyone.

Now your young QB has a HUGE leg up to succeed. A bad start can ruin a young talented QB. If he's the guy, your team now has a 10-15 year window, as opposed to wasting the first 3-5 years of his career trying to build a team around him, or ruining his confidence altogether.

Yeah, likely you would still have your third rounders so you would still get houston.


But yea, I'd give up those guys to have Newton. You'd be ahead of where you are right now.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think the point being made is that most of the roster has question marks. It has a lot of talent, but that talent is unproven. 5 games or 1 year doesn't make a career.

We're in "wait and see" mode on a lot of guys that some fans have already (very optimistically) chalked up as impact players.

People seem to be taking for granted the fact that not every player lives up to his potential, or that draftniks aren't always right.

People are just setting themselves up for disappointment, because it's highly unlikely that all these young guys pan out, much less become "impact players."

So, how many years does a player have to produce to be proven then?

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Toad King

I don't know.

We play a lot of good teams this year so we might have holes we don't even know about.

Stanford Routt might be the second coming of William Bartee this year.

EVERYONE on here thought we would slobberknock the Bills before Week 1 last season. Including me.

How'd that work out? I've learned to lower my expectations with this regime.

True.

As for the Bills, EVERYONE underestimated them, while over estimating Cassel. Fact is, we underestimated their roster, which is pretty similar to ours talent wise, with, the better QB.

[O.city]

I still don't know what the hell happened week 1 and 2 last year. You don't get blown out that bad in the NFL without being pretty unprepared and shitty. I don't think we were that shitty, but who knows.

[Hammock Parties]

We underestimated their 6-10 roster?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by O.city

I still don't know what the hell happened week 1 and 2 last year.

The same thing that happened in Week 9 and 10 against Miami and Denver.

The Matt Cassel effect can strike at any time.

[O.city]

Didn't the Bills start off with a bang, blow their wad and peter out?

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Toad King

Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCluster and Dontari Poe say hello.

So do Houston, Bailey, Lewis, Hudson, Allen, Gray, Moeaki, Stanzi, Asamoah, Belcher, and many quality backups.