Chiefs Chiefs press conference on Tyreek Hill - Page 16

**RealSNR** · 04-30-2016, 07:47 PM

Starting a whole new thread about this because I think it's a pretty important to get the justification and story from the people who made the pick. Was posted in the original thread, but I know it's going to get lost in the still vibrant discussion.

Basically, Dorsey would normally let his scout team handle questions about the last day so he can do UDFA stuff, but he felt he needed to address the press and media about it before too many stories got carried away. So they spent basically a full 20 minutes discussing the morality of picking somebody like Hill.

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/v...c-90e1d8adc228

For people who don't really care to listen, Dorsey and Reid basically give a single answer: "We've done our homework, so please trust us."

Props go to Terez Paylor for asking the tough and pointed questions about this. He's got some balls as a journalist that I've never seen out of the KC Star.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-01-2016, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Meatloaf

Dane, I fear you've missed my very succinct point. Let me try again taking a bit of a different tack....

I may no nothing about the NFL draft (not true, but for the purpose of illustrating my fine point...), but it's not because of what I said! You went overboard on that one. I forget what kind of fallacy the debate gurus call that, but it is a fallacious conclusion.

Not sure I can make it any simpler, but hopefully you'll yield to this fine attempt to clarify.

Dude, you said he may not make the team because he's a 5th rounder, when in fact, thirteen 5th rounders have made the Chiefs team dating back to 2000:

D.J. Alexander
James O'Shaughnessy
Aaron Murray
Sanders Commings (IR for 2 seasons)
Ricky Stanzi
Kendrick Lewis
Brandon Carr
Kolby Smith
Boomer Grigsby
Jordan Black
Scott Fujita
Derrick Blaylock
Dante Hall

DenverChief · 05-01-2016, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, you said he may not make the team because he's a 5th rounder, when in fact, thirteen 5th rounders have made the Chiefs team dating back to 2000:

D.J. Alexander
James O'Shaughnessy
Aaron Murray
Sanders Commings (IR for 2 seasons)
Ricky Stanzi
Kendrick Lewis
Brandon Carr
Kolby Smith
Boomer Grigsby
Jordan Black
Scott Fujita
Derrick Blaylock
Dante Hall

So you're saying that there is a chance ... 13 does not equal 16

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-01-2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

So you're saying that there is a chance ... 13 does not equal 16

BryanBusby · 05-01-2016, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

Nooooo. No innocent man would ever plead guilty to something they didn't do!!

Yes that's a thing that happens, but I think it's kinda obv here that's not what happened. Why are you going down this trail?

Danguardace · 05-01-2016, 05:25 PM

Not sure if anyone else has had a similar experience but here goes:

I grew up with Domestic violence, one of my earliest memories of my father is him beating the shit out of my mother. On one occasion whilst my twin brother and I (6 years old at the time) had jumped on his back trying to protect our mom. Another time on the night my mom left him he broke my eldest brothers arm as a parting gift.

Fast forward another 7 years and as young teenagers we had to endure this happen again with his partner at the time when we saw him at the weekends.

I hate my dad for what he made us see and hear, I know he is a piece of shit and I tell him every chance I get. What is worse he has never apologised or owned what he did. My mom always preached forgiveness and reconciliation, She told me he would kick her when she was pregnant with me. At my eldest brothers funeral in 2001 I watched my mother and my father speak for the first in a long long time.

Whenever my emotions get the better of me mom always says it's me he hit not you If I can put it behind me so can you, and despite all he put her through she would never wish harm on him. I don't know how she does it, if that is the church going Christian in her but when I hear people on here,twitter or facebook saying how he should blow out his knee or neck I am reminded of what my mom says and also wonder what the victim who had to endure that violence that night thinks.

So I am torn on this I hate those people who say because they are prepared to forgive this guy and give him a chance they are supporting DV and VAW. If that were true my mother and no doubt other women would be/should be accused of the same.

Fast forward to the modern day and I still think my dad is a piece of shit (that will never change), because he is and a drunk ass hole but I let him play with my 5 year old daughter, meet my wife, I visit him 3-4 times a year when he live 4-5 hours away. But because of his I must be supporting DV and VAW?

Sorry for the long post I have been reading about this all day and had a few beers.

teedubya · 05-01-2016, 05:27 PM

https://twitter.com/ImFasterThanYa

That's his Twitter.

kcpasco · 05-01-2016, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danguardace

Not sure if anyone else has had a similar experience but here goes:

I grew up with Domestic violence, one of my earliest memories of my father is him beating the shit out of my mother. On one occasion whilst my twin brother and I (6 years old at the time) had jumped on his back trying to protect our mom. Another time on the night my mom left him he broke my eldest brothers arm as a parting gift.

Fast forward another 7 years and as young teenagers we had to endure this happen again with his partner at the time when we saw him at the weekends.

I hate my dad for what he made us see and hear, I know he is a piece of shit and I tell him every chance I get. What is worse he has never apologised or owned what he did. My mom always preached forgiveness and reconciliation, She told me he would kick her when she was pregnant with me. At my eldest brothers funeral in 2001 I watched my mother and my father speak for the first in a long long time.

Whenever my emotions get the better of me mom always says it's me he hit not you If I can put it behind me so can you, and despite all he put her through she would never wish harm on him. I don't know how she does it, if that is the church going Christian in her but when I hear people on here,twitter or facebook saying how he should blow out his knee or neck I am reminded of what my mom says and also wonder what the victim who had to endure that violence that night thinks.

So I am torn on this I hate those people who say because they are prepared to forgive this guy and give him a chance they are supporting DV and VAW. If that were true my mother and no doubt other women would be/should be accused of the same.

Fast forward to the modern day and I still think my dad is a piece of shit (that will never change), because he is and a drunk ass hole but I let him play with my 5 year old daughter, meet my wife, I visit him 3-4 times a year when he live 4-5 hours away. But because of his I must be supporting DV and VAW?

Sorry for the long post I have been reading about this all day and had a few beers.

Thanks for sharing, my father was an abusive dick when I was younger but I have forgiven him.

teedubya · 05-01-2016, 05:32 PM

Hypothetical... and not that it matters, but with his speed and skills.

If he DIDN'T beat his pregnant girlfriend and get kicked off of OSU, where does he get drafted?

Chiefshrink · 05-01-2016, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

Hypothetical... and not that it matters, but with his speed and skills.

If he DIDN'T beat his pregnant girlfriend and get kicked off of OSU, where does he get drafted?

He is Tavon Austin with muscle. At worst top of the 2nd more likely a 1st rd pick. There is no substitute for speed with ball skills especially speed that literally changes games and keeps you in games and more often than not wins you games, especially close games. Hester is a perfect example and this kid is faster than Hester with better ball skills even when Hester was in his prime.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-01-2016, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

Hypothetical... and not that it matters, but with his speed and skills.

If he DIDN'T beat his pregnant girlfriend and get kicked off of OSU, where does he get drafted?

In this draft? I'd say early 4th, maybe late 3rd.

Chiefshrink · 05-01-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

In this draft? I'd say early 4th.

:face palm:

Nothing personal Dane.

go bo · 05-01-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Uh, no.

Weak minded pussies who have nothing to say always believe that "No one likes Dane" when in reality, the opposite is true.

Nice try, ****o.

????

dane likes no one?

teedubya · 05-01-2016, 05:39 PM

Regardless, the kid won't have a very long NFL career. Opposing players will, most likely, be actively trying to injure him.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-01-2016, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

He is Tavon Austin with muscle. At worst top of the 2nd more likely a 1st rd pick. There is no substitute for speed especially speed that literally changes games and keeps you in games and more often than not wins you games, especially close games. Hester is a perfect example and this kid is faster than Hester even when Hester was in his prime.

No way a team is investing a 1st round pick on a guy that had 500 yards at Oklahoma State.

There's no freaking way he's going before Derrick Henry.

The Chiefs are moving him to receiver from running back, which also lowers his value as he's not a proven receiver.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-01-2016, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by go bowe

????

dane likes no one?

04-30-2016, 07:47 PM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $1870208	Chiefs press conference on Tyreek Hill Starting a whole new thread about this because I think it's a pretty important to get the justification and story from the people who made the pick. Was posted in the original thread, but I know it's going to get lost in the still vibrant discussion. Basically, Dorsey would normally let his scout team handle questions about the last day so he can do UDFA stuff, but he felt he needed to address the press and media about it before too many stories got carried away. So they spent basically a full 20 minutes discussing the morality of picking somebody like Hill. http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/v...c-90e1d8adc228 For people who don't really care to listen, Dorsey and Reid basically give a single answer: "We've done our homework, so please trust us." Props go to Terez Paylor for asking the tough and pointed questions about this. He's got some balls as a journalist that I've never seen out of the KC Star.
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05-01-2016, 05:25 PM	#230
Danguardace Veteran Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Shrewsbury England Casino cash: $1575590	Not sure if anyone else has had a similar experience but here goes: I grew up with Domestic violence, one of my earliest memories of my father is him beating the shit out of my mother. On one occasion whilst my twin brother and I (6 years old at the time) had jumped on his back trying to protect our mom. Another time on the night my mom left him he broke my eldest brothers arm as a parting gift. Fast forward another 7 years and as young teenagers we had to endure this happen again with his partner at the time when we saw him at the weekends. I hate my dad for what he made us see and hear, I know he is a piece of shit and I tell him every chance I get. What is worse he has never apologised or owned what he did. My mom always preached forgiveness and reconciliation, She told me he would kick her when she was pregnant with me. At my eldest brothers funeral in 2001 I watched my mother and my father speak for the first in a long long time. Whenever my emotions get the better of me mom always says it's me he hit not you If I can put it behind me so can you, and despite all he put her through she would never wish harm on him. I don't know how she does it, if that is the church going Christian in her but when I hear people on here,twitter or facebook saying how he should blow out his knee or neck I am reminded of what my mom says and also wonder what the victim who had to endure that violence that night thinks. So I am torn on this I hate those people who say because they are prepared to forgive this guy and give him a chance they are supporting DV and VAW. If that were true my mother and no doubt other women would be/should be accused of the same. Fast forward to the modern day and I still think my dad is a piece of shit (that will never change), because he is and a drunk ass hole but I let him play with my 5 year old daughter, meet my wife, I visit him 3-4 times a year when he live 4-5 hours away. But because of his I must be supporting DV and VAW? Sorry for the long post I have been reading about this all day and had a few beers.
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05-01-2016, 05:27 PM	#231
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05-01-2016, 05:32 PM	#233
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9460002	Hypothetical... and not that it matters, but with his speed and skills. If he DIDN'T beat his pregnant girlfriend and get kicked off of OSU, where does he get drafted?
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05-01-2016, 05:39 PM	#238
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9460002	Regardless, the kid won't have a very long NFL career. Opposing players will, most likely, be actively trying to injure him.
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