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Old 01-10-2018, 01:05 PM   #1
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That would just be baffling if it's true because it sure seems like this team just hasn't had the ability to line up and smash the ball forward on 3rd and short or the goal line.


I've been wondering what the rushing comparisons were when Morris was in/out. He was hurt early in the year and Hunt was running beast fuel, then he came back and team/rushing results tanked, then he was hurt again....I think offensive line is probably more to blame as the inside three have been sketchy imo.

I'm so "meh" about this hiring for OC....He's a Reid puppet and I just can't fathom that this move gets the offense away from the turtle-up effect to protect a lead, or inability to score when they HAVE to do so to win.

I'll believe it when I see it.
I’m an idiot and don’t know how to link things on here but there’s an article on Rams Wire by USA Today comparing how bad the Rams were to KC (still best at the time at 92.9%). That was at the end of November. Washington post has a stats section that you can filter %1st conversion by run on 3rd and <3 yds. Hunt was #2 at 90% success after Freeman who had 92.9% on the season. That’s a little different than team success on 3rd and 1, but the takeaway is that we were actually really good converting 3rd downs in short yardage and that applies to both rushing and passing.

I know it’s odd, but that’s what the numbers show.
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Old 01-10-2018, 10:47 PM   #2
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That would just be baffling if it's true because it sure seems like this team just hasn't had the ability to line up and smash the ball forward on 3rd and short or the goal line.

I've been wondering what the rushing comparisons were when Morris was in/out. He was hurt early in the year and Hunt was running beast fuel, then he came back and team/rushing results tanked, then he was hurt again....I think offensive line is probably more to blame as the inside three have been sketchy imo.
You are correct. We are soft in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Defensive line is obvious. To your point about the o-line we cannot run the ball "at will" when needed. The last time we could do that was from 02-05 and then in the early to mid 90's. Remember those days? Teams would stack the box and our o-lines would just "yawn"(whatever) and we would still get our 5-7 yd gains every time we would run moving the chains at will. Those o-lines were just NASTY to the point where the 02-05 line made Ray Lewis a crying bitch on Monday Nite Football.

We need to get back to that nastiness PERIOD !!!

BUT Andy is not run first guy and is more finesse so he wants more athletic ballerina type o-linemen so good luck trying run smash mouth when you need it.
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Old 01-10-2018, 10:58 AM   #3
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Old 01-10-2018, 11:28 AM   #4
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What happened to those passes? They were all the rage for 3 weeks, then I never heard of them again. Did the league figure them out?
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Old 01-10-2018, 11:47 AM   #5
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What happened to those passes? They were all the rage for 3 weeks, then I never heard of them again. Did the league figure them out?
Yes, the league figured out the shovel passes, which is why they stopped trying them.
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Old 01-10-2018, 11:11 AM   #6
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Media seems high on him. And he is a run first kind of guy..which should benefit the Chiefs moving forward.
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Old 01-10-2018, 11:35 AM   #8
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Hope he works out and will be rooting for him but is there any evidence he can game plan or call plays?

Its not that simple to dissect an opponent and come up with a game plan to maximize the players you have to take advantage and then call the correct plays and the correct time.

Just don't want a huge learning curve but maybe he's shown Andy something in meetings?
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Hope he works out and will be rooting for him but is there any evidence he can game plan or call plays?

Its not that simple to dissect an opponent and come up with a game plan to maximize the players you have to take advantage and then call the correct plays and the correct time.

Just don't want a huge learning curve but maybe he's shown Andy something in meetings?
Who says he's going to be calling plays? History says that Andy's going to take it back until the season is on the brink again.
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Hope he works out and will be rooting for him but is there any evidence he can game plan or call plays?

Its not that simple to dissect an opponent and come up with a game plan to maximize the players you have to take advantage and then call the correct plays and the correct time.

Just don't want a huge learning curve but maybe he's shown Andy something in meetings?
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In order for Mahomes to overcome Andy's playcalling you gotta hope he has some Favre in him in what I mean by that is the desire to go "**** it this call sucks" and change it. He apparently did it to Childress all the time.
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In order for Mahomes to overcome Andy's playcalling you gotta hope he has some Favre in him in what I mean by that is the desire to go "**** it this call sucks" and change it. He apparently did it to Childress all the time.
That's what McNabb did.
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In order for Mahomes to overcome Andy's playcalling you gotta hope he has some Favre in him in what I mean by that is the desire to go "**** it this call sucks" and change it. He apparently did it to Childress all the time.
This is absolutely correct.
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Some other interesting and totally unrelated stats I saw while looking for the source on these 3rd down numbers is that the Patriots lead the league with 50 first downs granted by penalty on opposing teams. KC got 29 that way.

KC’s defense also allowed the most first downs to opposing offenses in the league at 352, almost 100 more than the best defense (Jags) who only allowed 257 first downs.

I should post that last one in the Fire Sutton thread.
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