Offsides reality

[tredadda]

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I also read that it has been called 11 times this season.

and I just heard on the radio almost all, if not all, of those were on Tush Push plays...

NFL hiding behind that, but we called them 11 times this year...

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Oof.

KT was more more egregious

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Who says Toney checked with the referee? Cheffers' pool report says the refs are not obligated to tell players and/or coaches whether a player is lined up onsides. If Toney said he checked with the officials and he got the ok, it seems like someone is lying here.

This is a coaching problem as well. You CANNOT rely on the officials to be on your side. You CANNOT assume that they are going to help you out by telling you you are lined up on the LOS and should move back a few inches. Reid complaining that the officials always warn him is just naive - teach your players to line up behind the ball and if they don't get it right make them run sprints up a hill in practice until they learn to do it correctly.

CHeffers report means that if someone is offsides they do not have to tell anyone. Cheffers did not say if asked whether the official should tell them. He also did not address whether Tooney did or did not check.

It appears the policy is if just a tad to let the coach player know on the next snap. If blatantly offsides throw the flag. if t he player asks give him a signal to move back or ok.

Just guessing but I doubt Tooney checked. Andy/Patrick think it was a tad too far and CHeffers thought it was pretty blatant.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by Shields68

CHeffers report means that if someone is offsides they do not have to tell anyone. Cheffers did not say if asked whether the official should tell them. He also did not address whether Tooney did or did not check.

It appears the policy is if just a tad to let the coach player know on the next snap. If blatantly offsides throw the flag. if t he player asks give him a signal to move back or ok.

Just guessing but I doubt Tooney checked. Andy/Patrick think it was a tad too far and CHeffers thought it was pretty blatant.

Reid just confirmed that the moron didn't check with the official. This is 100% on Toney.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

I think it’s seriously time to move on from Reid

Seriously step away from social media. You are just posting nonsense.

You are posting pictures from cameras that you have no idea if the camera is even perpendicular to the line of scrimmage.

[seamonster]

I agree with Mahomes and Reid. This is an autistic call for a referee to make in the 4th quarter...You see receivers line up like Toney had all the time and it almost never gets called...The only other time I've seen them take points off the board for this bullshit asinine rule was when Terry McLaurin lined up in the neutral zone on an extra point but in that instance the corner was in press man coverage. This was a play where the d-backs were playing soft at the line of scrimmage. Cheffer's either has Asbergers or he\league is dirty.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

I think it’s seriously time to move on from Reid

Nice troll job. Well you won't be doing it again in this thread.

[RunKC]

So Jawaan Taylor had an excellent pressure rate with a few more penalties but not terrible. He comes in and beats the shit out of Aidan Hutchinson week 1 like we paid him to and then starting week 2 they start targeting him and flagging. He's trying to adjust and can't. His confidence is shaky bc of Chris ****ing Collinsworth.

I'd be fine with that but I see Lane Johnson doing the same thing every week as well as both Bills tackles and nothing.

Jawaan Taylor has been targeted all season long

[srvy]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

KT was more more egregious

The ball spot was about the middle of the painted 49-yard hash mark. This is evident in photos down the line. The side judge is straddling the line you can see the yard marker chain crew behind him. The rear range pole you can see between the ref's leg splitting the sideline 49-yard hash. The ref's right heel is on the ball spot.

Our center pulled the ball back as they all do and have been posted why so I won't go over that. I think Andy has better photos, but I think he is right inches offside.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by RunKC

So Jawaan Taylor had an excellent pressure rate with a few more penalties but not terrible. He comes in and beats the shit out of Aidan Hutchinson week 1 like we paid him to and then starting week 2 they start targeting him and flagging. He's trying to adjust and can't. His confidence is shaky bc of Chris ****ing Collinsworth.

I'd be fine with that but I see Lane Johnson doing the same thing every week as well as both Bills tackles and nothing.

Jawaan Taylor has been targeted all season long

You might be right, but it just doesn't matter, Taylor has to conform to the league's wishes or he will keep getting flagged. It's really that simple.

[Bwana]

Heh

[Hammock Parties]

half assed it

Couple of things here.
This isn’t checking with the official. It’s acknowledging he’s the player on the ball. If he wanted to actually check he’d have waited or asked for a response to his alignment. Then he aligns incorrectly. https://t.co/CY4q2HBcsh

— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) December 11, 2023

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

You might be right, but it just doesn't matter, Taylor has to conform to the league's wishes or he will keep getting flagged. It's really that simple.

Yep. Taylor has been called for 16 enforced penalties, the next closest is 11 (bears rookie right tackle). He may be targeted but he’s not cleaning it up. It happens every week. That’s inexcusable for a veteran high-priced guy like Taylor.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

Yep. Taylor has been called for 16 enforced penalties, the next closest is 11 (bears rookie right tackle). He may be targeted but he’s not cleaning it up. It happens every week. That’s inexcusable for a veteran high-priced guy like Taylor.

Even when he's not getting penalized, he gets beat like a rented mule on key plays. The game continues if he blocks better on that final play.

[wachashi]

That's bad officiating, period.

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