***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm very interested to see what % actually test positive out of this group.

I've never been inside one of these plants, all I have to go off of is stuff I read on Facebook, (not exactly the most reliable of sources, but that's all I've got).

The accounts I've read make it sound like people are packed in there like sardines..social distancing is impossible. And when you have 3000 people in one plant - it sounds like the perfect breeding ground for the virus.

I'd be surprised if the total doesn't come out to somewhere between 300-500 infected. I might be on the low end with that guess.

I've been in way too many. Some food processing areas they are indeed standing shoulder to shoulder while others are much more mechanical and the workers are scattered farther apart. Cool damp conditions with no natural light probably doesn't help.

The break rooms, lunch rooms, and locker rooms are ofter the bigger issue. It's also not uncommon for immigrants to live a dozen to a house at home. Many of the immigrants and their children often live and die by fake news and rumors, which in this case could be a positive if you could scare them into a theory that would actually protect themselves. On the other side of that tendency would be when they all call in sick at the same time out of fear.

Just a random fact, but this week's expected fat cattle slaughter is ~25% below last year this week.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by ghak99

I quit making posts about the packer issues, but lets just say it is every where and the list of plants running at half staff is quite lengthy. Every day a new batch of processing location rumors come out and a few days later the plants make moves that admit the issues exist.

Very little of this info is making headlines beyond the groups who stand to lose massive amounts of money soon.

How many days until the shelves stop getting restocked?

[Donger]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/healt...rnd/index.html

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

How many days until the shelves stop getting restocked?

No one is talking about this. Which is a tell in itself, but it's hard to sort it all out. Everyone seems to believe they can keep the spout flowing just enough to keep the pool from going dry.

It's often easier to read their actions than their words though. The pack pulled all of their owned and contracted inventory forward in the last month. Some of those animals were 2-3 months out, which makes it basically unheard of. Meanwhile, they left independent producers out in the cold and weren't even offering bids. That alone tells me they were scared shitless that it would all come to a full stop very soon. Now that they've mitigated their risk, they're suddenly worried about their workers. How convenient.

Right now, 1 out of 4 steers isn't getting killed that should be. That's pretty basic math that anyone can run with. It depends on the region, but it can take 7-14 days to go from hoof to meat case.

I'd also like to mention they are making record profits on the product they're shipping out while producers are preparing for record losses. The US has an oligarchy issue that's influenced by a corrupt multinational company that they need to deal with after this mess clears out.

[TLO]

Missouri DHSS numbers yesterday

Cases in Missouri: 6,321

Total Deaths: 218

Patients tested in Missouri (by all labs): approximately 64,903

Missouri numbers today

Cases in Missouri: 6,625

Total Deaths: 262

Patients tested in Missouri (by all labs): approximately 64,903 (not yet updated for 4/24/20)

As of 2:00 p.m. CT, April 24

[TLO]

At least DHSS finally caught up with other sites.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

At least DHSS finally caught up with other sites.

Well 3 weeks ago Mo was 28th in total cases. 2 weeks ago they moved up to 21st and today they fall back to 22nd. So things at least are going the right way.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ghak99

No one is talking about this. Which is a tell in itself, but it's hard to sort it all out. Everyone seems to believe they can keep the spout flowing just enough to keep the pool from going dry.

It's often easier to read their actions than their words though. The pack pulled all of their owned and contracted inventory forward in the last month. Some of those animals were 2-3 months out, which makes it basically unheard of. Meanwhile, they left independent producers out in the cold and weren't even offering bids. That alone tells me they were scared shitless that it would all come to a full stop very soon. Now that they've mitigated their risk, they're suddenly worried about their workers. How convenient.

Right now, 1 out of 4 steers isn't getting killed that should be. That's pretty basic math that anyone can run with. It depends on the region, but it can take 7-14 days to go from hoof to meat case.

I'd also like to mention they are making record profits on the product they're shipping out while producers are preparing for record losses. The US has an oligarchy issue that's influenced by a corrupt multinational company that they need to deal with after this mess clears out.

So is it inevitable that all the plants end up shut down at some point?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by ghak99

I've been in way too many. Some food processing areas they are indeed standing shoulder to shoulder while others are much more mechanical and the workers are scattered farther apart. Cool damp conditions with no natural light probably doesn't help.

The break rooms, lunch rooms, and locker rooms are ofter the bigger issue. It's also not uncommon for immigrants to live a dozen to a house at home. Many of the immigrants and their children often live and die by fake news and rumors, which in this case could be a positive if you could scare them into a theory that would actually protect themselves. On the other side of that tendency would be when they all call in sick at the same time out of fear.

Just a random fact, but this week's expected fat cattle slaughter is ~25% below last year this week.

Any input on this?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grocers...ts-11587679833

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So, whose turn is it to argue with pete this Monday about the case numbers?

[TLO]

Another quick note from DHSS for those following MO numbers.

New numbers from the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services show 262 people have died from coronavirus in Missouri while 6,625 have tested positive.

State health officials said the spike in new cases does not reflect an increase in the past 24 to 48 hours. The state said the cases were recorded between April 16-22 but due to a technical glitch at a commercial lab they were just added today.

The increase in deaths reported on Friday occured from April 12-22.

Of the deaths, 100 have been people 80 years of age or older; 70 were in their 70s; 56 were in their 60s and 27 were in their 50s. Nine of the deaths were patients under the age of 50.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

So, whose turn is it to argue with pete this Monday about the case numbers?

Now why you gotta go there? Just for that I say it's yours.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Now why you gotta go there? Just for that I say it's yours.

It's not my turn in the rotation yet. I did it two weeks ago.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's not my turn in the rotation yet. I did it two weeks ago.

I nominate Donger.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's not my turn in the rotation yet. I did it two weeks ago.

Too bad you opened your mouth. And just to be clear are we going to argue about just Sunday's numbers or both Sunday Monday's numbers? It seems to switch based on where the goal posts need to be moved at the time.