***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I don't think having massive amounts of people traveling across the country and congregating in large groups is a good idea no.

How long can we hold up like that though?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ghak99

Article is behind a wall, but retailers are definitely having to scramble for inventory and use supply chains they have never used before.

Things are tight, but no one wants this info out in the media for obvious reasons.

Go to your local subway and ask for roast beef. A lot of them will not have it as their supplier was one of the first to cut them off and divert that inventory to a grocery chain. No one will panic over subway making you eat turkey, but an empty beef case in the grocery store scares the sheep.

A few states have proposals to allow the retail purchase of meat from local butchers ready to put up for discussion. It's basically an emergency deregulation. It'll be like pissing in the wind, but maybe it would help in some regions.

What’s the end game? Just keep shuttling people thru to work?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

How long can we hold up like that though?

I mean higher education is not a priority right now. Really, education in general isn't.

The priority should be ensuring basic necessities are being made available to the public. That's it.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I mean higher education is not a priority right now. Really, education in general isn't.

The priority should be ensuring basic necessities are being made available to the public. That's it.

Like jobs, money, livelihood, prosperity, and good mental health?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Like jobs, money, livelihood, prosperity, and good mental health?

Food, water and electricity.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Food, water and electricity.

Ok

How are we to expect people to pay for that without income?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

Ok

How are we to expect people to pay for that without income?

Can't answer without being political.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

Ok

How are we to expect people to pay for that without income?

Most utilities have said they aren't going to turn off customers if they can't pay.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Can't answer without being political.

Fair enough

I’m not disagreeing or trying to argue was just curious

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by O.city

What’s the end game? Just keep shuttling people thru to work?

Whatever it takes.

Paying people to stay home isn't helping though. Essential workers are getting tired of being walked on, especially the lower income group. "**** you, fire me", was becoming the easy out.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by ghak99

Whatever it takes.

Paying people to stay home isn't helping though. Essential workers are getting tired of being walked on, especially the lower income group. "**** you, fire me", was becoming the easy out.

It isn't even just that. The economy will be gone in 30 - 60 days if we don't start to open things in some way. Thankfully some states are starting as soon as today. It doesn't have to be full blown but it can't be what it has been. We have lost 23 million jobs in less than a month. A few million of those are gone for good now. You go another 30 days of full lock down and you will see economic devastation like you have never seen. Thanks to some Governors it won't happen.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It isn't even just that. The economy will be gone in 30 - 60 days if we don't start to open things in some way. Thankfully some states are starting as soon as today. It doesn't have to be full blown but it can't be what it has been. We have lost 23 million jobs in less than a month. A few million of those are gone for good now. You go another 30 days of full lock down and you will see economic devastation like you have never seen. Thanks to some Governors it won't happen.

It's already ****ed pete. Reopening is a meme at this point.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

It's already ****ed pete. Reopening is a meme at this point.

Yup. This thinking that we just flip a switch and the economy comes back is fantasy.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

It's already ****ed pete. Reopening is a meme at this point.

Uh yeah, no. You have no idea of what ****ed is if you think it is ****ed now. It has is right now, yeah. But we are at a point we can start to suture the wound or continue ignoring it while the infection spreads.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

It's already ****ed pete. Reopening is a meme at this point.

It’ll be slow for a good while. I’m hopeful they’ll have a vaccine or treatment by fall which would help a lot