***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, for one Florida is a lot of old retired folks. These tests done a few weeks ago would suggest infections in mid March before all the lockdowns happened

They’ve had 233 deaths

Kind of the same woth Texas and California

Some weird factors in New York made it a hot bed bit it’s looking like we could (hopefully fingers crossed) end up with an IfR of .3-.5

Not

NY is\was also sending covid positive patients BACK into nursing homes

[DaneMcCloud]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ve/3020046001/

COVID-19 treatment: FDA says hydroxychloroquine is not safe or effective

The Food and Drug Administration is warning against the use of two drugs the White House has repeatedly touted as a possible "game changer" in the fight against the coronavirus.

The Drug Safety Communication published Friday said the agency cautions against the use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 treatment outside of hospitals or clinical trials due to the risk of heart rhythm problems.

"Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have not been shown to be safe and effective for treating or preventing COVID-19," the FDA warned. Both can cause abnormal heart rhythms and a dangerously rapid heart rate, the statement said.

The FDA explicitly warned consumers not buy the drugs from online pharmacies without a prescription from a health care professional. "Consumers should not take any form of chloroquine that has not been prescribed for them by a healthcare professional," the agency stated on its website.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Most utilities have said they aren't going to turn off customers if they can't pay.

Oh I see, so you think there will never be that bill to pay in the end, you know the one accumulating while money isn't being made.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Oh I see, so you think there will never be that bill to pay in the end, you know the one accumulating while money isn't being made.

People are confusing deferral for forgiveness.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

NY is\was also sending covid positive patients BACK into nursing homes

Missouri is it atleast did a few times as well

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Oh I see, so you think there will never be that bill to pay in the end, you know the one accumulating while money isn't being made.

No, I don't think that at all.

[eDave]

Poast Malone is live streaming him doing Nirvana:

[patteeu]

Is that Travis Barker?

[eDave]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Is that Travis Barker?

Yes

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by eDave

Poast Malone is live streaming him doing Nirvana:

Holy shit thats actually pretty good.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

In New York City, 21 percent of people had antibodies for coronavirus, compared to 3.6 percent in upstate New York, 16.7 percent in Long Island and 11.7 percent in the Westchester/Rockland area.

The data indicates the COVID-19 death rate in New York is about 0.5 percent.

ok so for older people its worse than the flu and for people under 50 it is the flu. (if these numbers hold up)

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ary-data-shows

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 there was 61 million cases in the US of H1N1. The Coronavirus is much more contagious than H1N1 was. Perhaps even 2.5 to 3 times more. Many experts estimate that if we didn't practice social distancing, 70-90% of Americans would contract Covid-19 within 1 year. 331,000,000 x 75% (low end) = 248,250,000

248,250,000 x CFR of 0.5% (which I actually think is low because people in NYC are much healthier than the general population)= 1,241,250

So it all comes down to if you value the deaths of 1M to 1.5M people or not, versus your regular way of life. I actually can see the argument, because we could always save many lives every year by staying in our houses. Less car accidents, less crime, less other infectious diseases, less accidents etc.

I tend to believe the rest of our population is quite a bit more at risk than NYC residents, which are both younger and more healthier than average than the rest of the USA population. You could potentially be looking at much more than that as it is the low estimate.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BWillie

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 there was 61 million cases in the US of H1N1. The Coronavirus is much more contagious than H1N1 was. Perhaps even 2.5 to 3 times more. Many experts estimate that if we didn't practice social distancing, 70-90% of Americans would contract Covid-19 within 1 year. 331,000,000 x 75% (low end) = 248,250,000

248,250,000 x CFR of 0.5% (which I actually think is low because people in NYC are much healthier than the general population)= 1,241,250

So it all comes down to if you value the deaths of 1M to 1.5M people or not, versus your regular way of life. I actually can see the argument, because we could always save many lives every year by staying in our houses. Less car accidents, less crime, less other infectious diseases, less accidents etc.

I tend to believe the rest of our population is quite a bit more at risk than NYC residents, which are both younger and more healthier than average than the rest of the USA population. You could potentially be looking at much more than that as it is the low estimate.

What makes you think NYC is more healthy than other locations in the United States?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Holy shit thats actually pretty good.

Yeah, but can he play Nirvana while passing a kidney stone?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by TLO

What makes you think NYC is more healthy than other locations in the United States?

As with most large metro areas, their residents are usually more health conscious, less overweight, and also just have a younger population.

https://wallethub.com/edu/healthiest-cities/31072/

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Well this is interesting:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...242223821.html

But health experts are concerned the statewide total of confirmed cases is significantly undercounted because Florida reports only the number of Floridians waiting to hear test results from state labs, not private ones — and private labs are completing more than 90% of state tests.

The results of thousands of pending tests from private labs have taken as long as two weeks to be added to the state’s official count. The state’s website does not say its figures exclude the vast majority of pending tests for the novel coronavirus.