***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't think that's surprising

Not at all.

To contrast, as of April 22, St. Louis and area had 140 deaths, KC and area had 23 deaths.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bowser

A little late, but here's the unedited version if you're interested

this guy in the right slapped the piss out of that snarky guy asking the questions..

"We're actually seeing the patients. Dr. Fauci hasn't seen a patient in 20 years".

And no, that was not a jab at Fauci by him.

[petegz28]

I also think it's very interesting what they say about saying Covid is the cause of death.

[BWillie]

Already up to 54k deaths with no indication this i really slowing down anywhere but a few places. But yeah, we won't have more than 60k deaths.

[KCUnited]

Tomorrows numbers should give us some relief

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Tomorrows numbers should give us some relief

Those Sunday numbers have been great for moral.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Those Sunday numbers have been great for moral.

Yep. Hoping to take advantage and come away with a few morels

[loochy]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Already up to 54k deaths with no indication this i really slowing down anywhere but a few places. But yeah, we won't have more than 60k deaths.

Ok. You say this same thing every day. Do you care to elaborate or do you just like to whine?

[crayzkirk]

I came here hoping for good news. I decided to be a good drone and stay home until next weekend. I would feel terrible if I were to get someone sick in Hickory county, which has no statistics at all, just because I was selfish and wanted to check my lake house, mow the lawn and get the boats ready for summer.

Interesting report on Sweden; my personal opinion is that they are doing the right thing.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Yep. Hoping to take advantage and come away with a few morels

I need to find a spot for morels Found a couple in my flower gardens last year , tasty.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by loochy

Ok. You say this same thing every day. Do you care to elaborate or do you just like to whine?

I think he's still pissy he couldn't find someone to bet against him on death total.

[Chief Pagan]

If you have enough testing 11 days might be enough to see the beginning of a spike.

Without testing, it will take several weeks to see the spike in hospitals.

Originally Posted by petegz28

What????

If some place changes their social distancing rules and it causes, for the sake of argument, twice as many people to be exposed and infected:

It probably takes 5~7 days from exposure to being sick, incubation period.

It then takes two or three more weeks for the disease to get bad enough for someone to go the emergency room.

If all you are looking at is hospital admissions, 11 days isn't going to tell you anything about whether the relaxation is going okay or the relaxation is going to cause a problem.

Sure somebody could be tested in the morning and get infected in the afternoon.

The point of testing isn't to guarantee a given individual is safe, it is to catch a hotspot early and take appropriate steps.

If you wait to see the problem in the emergency room, you will have a bigger problem on your hands that could either spiral out of control or take more drastic measures over a bigger area to stamp out.

I hope Georgia's relaxation goes well. But we won't know one way or the other for several weeks.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by loochy

Ok. You say this same thing every day. Do you care to elaborate or do you just like to whine?

I've posted about 3-4 times showing the reasoning and math. I'm not going to keep posting shit just because you don't take the time to read it.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I've posted about 3-4 times showing the reasoning and math. I'm not going to keep posting shit just because you don't take the time to read it.

Ok, let me scour through 300 pages just to find something that the mighty Bwillie posted.

[petegz28]

Meanwhile the people in CA said **** all this and went to the beach today