***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

I would stop short of calling it an overreaction. We did what seemed necessary at the time.

We will see a massive shift to mistrust of “experts”. If this ends up being true they ****ed up on a gigantic scale.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by TLO

The bad news is that people who are asymptomatic are going to spread it to places like nursing homes, rehab facilities, etc.

At this point it is already in motion.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Haven’t been here in a couple of days.

Let me guess...number of new cases and deaths still going up?

Idk man. I've kind of become desensitized to the numbers. What we've learned over the past couple of days, most notably, is that there is a HUGE portion of cases out there that are unreported.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by stumppy

I wonder if the numbers of symptomatic will go up the next week after testing.

Yeah they did t really mention when they were doing the testing from what I read so if it weee a couple weeks ago we’d know now.

Asymptomatic and presymptimatic are different for sure

[TLO]

Originally Posted by notorious

At this point it is already in motion.

Oh I know. That's really the "bad side" of this type of news. We can social distance, shelter in place, do all this stuff - but this thing is already so widespread.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by notorious

We will see a massive shift to mistrust of “experts”. If this ends up being true they ****ed up on a gigantic scale.

Ehh...sometimes the best even an expert can do is make educated guesses. There just wasn't a whole lot of information to go on.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by TLO

Oh I know. That's really the "bad side" of this type of news. We can social distance, shelter in place, do all this stuff - but this thing is already so widespread.

I think we all had a pretty good idea this was going to go everywhere in a hurry.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by notorious

This is great news. I might be missing the bad side, though. What am I missing?

The good news is that woth that many having it the death rate is lower and we could be thru this faster

The bad news is with all this asymptomatic stuff, we have no clue who has it or where they’re spreading it

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by notorious

Mother ****er.

There are going to be a lot of relieved people. There are also going to be a shitload of people pissed off from the over-reaction.

Prison is not a normal environment and it doesn’t mean people will of symptomatic at some point or get very ill. If it is very contagious you need higher percentage of people needing to contract it for here immunity

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by TLO

Oh I know. That's really the "bad side" of this type of news. We can social distance, shelter in place, do all this stuff - but this thing is already so widespread.

I don't see that as being bad, it means we may be closer to herd immunity than previously thought.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Ehh...sometimes the best even an expert can do is make educated guesses. There just wasn't a whole lot of information to go on.

The biggest issue I’ve seen is not rolling with new information or actively seeking out new info. Maybe they are and it just takes time, but damn this past month has lasted a year

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Ehh...sometimes the best even an expert can do is make educated guesses. There just wasn't a whole lot of information to go on.

There was very little data to go on. A decision was made and I think it was the right call.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Ehh...sometimes the best even an expert can do is make educated guesses. There just wasn't a whole lot of information to go on.

You and I know that because we are geniouses. The masses are a different animal. (I strained my Dunning Kruger muscle typing this post.)





(Waiting patiently for someone to correct the CP lexicon)

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

I don't see that as being bad, it means we may be closer to herd immunity than previously thought.

Yessir.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Prison is not a normal environment and it doesn’t mean people will of symptomatic at some point or get very ill. If it is very contagious you need higher percentage of people needing to contract it for here immunity

Yeah the prison thing for sure but most people aren’t that tightly packed.

I’ve been a proponent of the iceberg theory for a while and that’s seemingly more and more likely the case