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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 01-13-2016, 06:58 AM   #2461
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Old 01-13-2016, 07:13 AM   #2462
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I find if you add the phrase, "According to me," before any Royals rumors tweets and whatnot, it lends a lot of perspective on the veracity of the information being given.
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Old 01-13-2016, 08:31 AM   #2463
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Old 01-13-2016, 09:01 AM   #2464
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Isn't Heyman the guy that said Royals had no chance of re-signing Gordon?
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Old 01-13-2016, 09:21 AM   #2465
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I call these projections bullshit as I did last year. The Royals are still the best team in the division.
Then place a bet on it this spring. Hootie used to tell me all the time how dumb Vegas was, and the bettors being fools. then he got into the Fanduel group hug here and lost nearly all their $ within 2 weeks.
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Old 01-13-2016, 09:28 AM   #2466
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Then place a bet on it this spring. Hootie used to tell me all the time how dumb Vegas was, and the bettors being fools. then he got into the Fanduel group hug here and lost nearly all their $ within 2 weeks.
Vegas isn't dumb but the projections they use haven't caught up to the Royals. It's already been proven and will be again. They were clearly the best team in the regular season and their losses had no major impact on the regular season. No one has done enough to catch up. They will win a weak division again barring injuries. Winning the whole thing is another story. They'll need to make some moves.
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Then place a bet on it this spring. Hootie used to tell me all the time how dumb Vegas was, and the bettors being fools. then he got into the Fanduel group hug here and lost nearly all their $ within 2 weeks.

Wasn't he talking about the Sabremetric/fangraphs, rather than vegas?
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Vegas isn't dumb but the projections they use haven't caught up to the Royals. It's already been proven and will be again. They were clearly the best team in the regular season and their losses had no major impact on the regular season. No one has done enough to catch up. They will win a weak division again barring injuries. Winning the whole thing is another story. They'll need to make some moves.
Just saying, I'd feel better if Vegas put us at 88 than 78. Obv, everything plays out on the field.
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Wasn't he talking about the Sabremetric/fangraphs, rather than vegas?
Yes. Said "swag" wasn't accounted for in their formulas.
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Projection systems continue to expect some things the Royals to excel at to normalize:

1) RP performance.
2) Defensive excellence
3) HR/FB rate

Despite the fact the royals have been excellent at 1) and 2) for a very large sample size (five seasons now), severe drop-off continues to be projected.

Despite the fact the Royals play at minimum 100 games/year at Ballparks that suppress the HR (Kaufman, Detroit, Minnesota, HR/FB regression continues to be projected.

At some point, you have to admit your model isn't working.
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1 and 2 also pass the eyeball test. We have a historically good defense and Wade Davis looks unhittable (whereas Holland was clearly getting lucky most of last year).
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Projection systems continue to expect some things the Royals to excel at to normalize:

1) RP performance.
2) Defensive excellence
3) HR/FB rate

Despite the fact the royals have been excellent at 1) and 2) for a very large sample size (five seasons now), severe drop-off continues to be projected.

Despite the fact the Royals play at minimum 100 games/year at Ballparks that suppress the HR (Kaufman, Detroit, Minnesota, HR/FB regression continues to be projected.
It's important to distinguish what it is you're talking about here. You are explaining why last winter's FORWARD projections did not align with reality. And I would say to you that those things are good reasons, although there are prob many more. That is conceded by SABR folks, who readily admit FW projections have 5-10 game standard deviations, with 10+ swings not uncommon. (Put aptly: "shit happens" with injuries, etc)

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But this is where we diverge. I (and others) want to know why the BACKWARDS looking metrics, notably PyThag + BaseRuns, don't align either. Because we **know** what happened and we have decades of data points showing what the record should've been. Your factors are all incorporated into the backwards data. So why did we win 95?


All we have today is that we sequenced out of our minds and had the highest "clutch" score in MLB. There's no explanation for that.
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But this is where we diverge. I (and others) want to know why the BACKWARDS looking metrics, notably PyThag + BaseRuns, don't align either. Because we **know** what happened and we have decades of data points showing what the record should've been. Your factors are all incorporated into the backwards data. So why did we win 95?


All we have today is that we sequenced out of our minds and had the highest "clutch" score in MLB. There's no explanation for that.
The Royals were projected to win 76 in 2013, 77 in 2014, and 81 in 2015.

Are we going to chalk up three years of incorrect metrics to "luck" and "clutch performances?"
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