Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 166

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

O.city · 07-31-2018, 08:54 AM

#Rays trade Justin Williams, Genesis Cabrera and Roel Ramirez to #Cardinals for Pham and international slot money
— Marc Topkin (@TBTimes_Rays) July 31, 2018

Marco Polo · 07-31-2018, 09:02 AM

I can't believe Mo did it. I give him props for trading Pham. Of the three names we got back, what are their rankings/ceiling?

George Liquor · 07-31-2018, 09:06 AM

PGM is the happiest person alive today

Marcellus · 07-31-2018, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BDj23

PGM is the happiest person alive today

I was just about to post this.

But this does prove PGM wrong, Pham was not worthless, he was worth 3 minor leaguers .

Frazod · 07-31-2018, 09:11 AM

So I guess we can call developing Cabrera....... Project Genesis!

jd1020 · 07-31-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

JD,

ESPN speculating the landing spot for Harper is the Cubs or Dodgers. You on board with that?

As a FA? Sure.

Who wouldn't be onboard with Harper?

I just dont believe the Cubs can make it happen unless they can trade Heyward, which might not be as far fetched as it seemed at the beginning of the year.

I'm not sure how the Dodgers make it fit either.

I've got my money on Machado going to the Yankees and them moving Torres to 3rd, assuming they can't convince Machado to go back to 3rd on a winning team. And Harper going to someone like the Phillies who have both room for him and plenty of money.

**The Franchise** · 07-31-2018, 09:19 AM

No way do the Dodgers get Harper and I'd be against another ****ing rental.

**BigRedChief** · 07-31-2018, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

#Rays trade Justin Williams, Genesis Cabrera and Roel Ramirez to #Cardinals for Pham and international slot money
— Marc Topkin (@TBTimes_Rays) July 31, 2018

What’s the scoop? We get anything good out of this?

jd1020 · 07-31-2018, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

What’s the scoop? We get anything good out of this?

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=tb

#14 and #25.

Just a bit shy of that one guys theory of Pham returning a guy thats a top 20 prospect.

DJ's left nut · 07-31-2018, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Pham for 2 minor league guys.

3.

Williams is a lefthanded hitter who profiles defensively in the corner and appears to have the physical tools to hit for more power than he does. He probably needs some tinkering but the tools appear to be there. He could end up a nice part of a platoon kind of situation with Bader or O'Neill and is something this organization simply doesn't have - a projectable lefthanded bat in the high minors.

Cabrera is intriguing as a smallish lefty with plus stuff. I really like that strikeout rate since he's doing it as a starter. Looks like there are some scouting concerns over his size staying in the starting rotation but I'd imagine he'd be a hammer lefty out of the 'pen if need be. Command is a little iffy but it's always iffy on young lefthanders.

Ramirez is a JAG; a fungible righthanded reliever who might give you 3-4 decent years in a middle relief role; think John Brebbia and you probably won't be disappointed.

It's not a bad return for someone who likely never had buy-in leaguewide given his eye issues. I hate having to pull the cord on him but he's been pretty abysmal for 3 months. I'm certain it's an eye issue but I suspect he is as well. If they haven't figured it out, you have to start to wonder if they ever will. It was time to move on and 2 of those guys probably have 3 win upside with the third being pretty likely to pitch in the majors at some point (though not in any kind of high leverage role).

It's not the kind of trade that changes a teams long-term fortunes greatly but at least it continues to build the organizational depth. My concern is that the 40 man is gonna get real crowded, real fast. I believe both Cabrera and Williams need to be on the 40 next year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-31-2018, 09:32 AM

I think the Rays will win this trade pretty convincingly. We'll see, I guess.

**BigRedChief** · 07-31-2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=tb

#14 and #25.

Just a bit shy of that one guys theory of Pham returning a guy thats a top 20 prospect.

Doesnt really tell me anything. Unless you know how strong the Rays depth is, we got Seattle’s #10 prospect for Voit, who sucks. That player is now 21st in our organization.

**BigRedChief** · 07-31-2018, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I think the Rays will win this trade pretty convincingly. We'll see, I guess.

this crowded outfield situation is Mo’s making. They have to do something. They can’t trade Fowler for shit. Maybe we can make a run in 2019. Having the Ozuna of late on that team means your not trading low on him now. We need to see if O’neil’s power plays in MLB or he’s Grichuk 2.0.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-31-2018, 09:39 AM

Think about the Cardinals' problem: a roster jammed with two win players. Now, what did they do: they traded a guy with a career average of 4.5 WAR/600 PA for two guys that have 2-3 WAR ceilings and a scrub reliever. This is the exact opposite of what they should be doing, but Mo seems determined to have a 40 man filled with guys that project as average starters.

Marco Polo · 07-31-2018, 09:44 AM

Rays acquired OF Tommy Pham from the Cardinals for LHP Genesis Cabrera, OF Justin Williams and RHP Roel Ramirez.

The Rays are getting $500,000 in international bonus money in the deal. This comes a bit out of nowhere, but it seems lots of Tampa Bay deals come out of nowhere. Pham was sensational in 2017 with a 23 homers, 25 steals and a .931 OPS, but he hasn’t been close that player in 2018 with a .248/.331/.399 line over 396 at-bats. He has hit 14 homers and 10 steals, however, so the power/speed combination is still readily apparent in the 30-year-old outfielder. He should be an everyday player for the Rays, and he’s still capable of helping you in redraft leagues. You just shouldn’t ever expect to see the player you saw in 2017, because that version (probably) isn’t coming back.

Cardinals acquired LHP Genesis Cabrera from the Cardinals in a four-player deal for OF Tommy Pham.

Cabrera is a left-hander whose fastball can get up to 97 mph, and his slider gives him another potential out pitch. His command is well behind his stuff at this point, and he’ll need to improve his change if he’s going to be a starter at the highest level. He could be a very effective reliever, but expect the Cardinals to give the 21-year-old a chance to develop as a starter, knowing the bullpen is a safe fallback option.

Cardinals acquired OF Justin Williams from the Rays in a four-player deal for OF Tommy Pham.

Williams received a small cup of coffee with the Rays this year, and he’s hit .258 this year over 356 at-bats with Triple-A Durham in 2018. A second-round pick by Arizona that was acquired in the Jeremy Hellickson trade in 2014, Williams flashes five solid tools, but his below-average approach at the plate has made it tough for him to tap into his offensive potential. He’s just 22-years-old, and he could be a late bloomer in the right development system. The Cardinals have proven to do well with these type of prospects, but there’s just as much risk as reward.

Cardinals acquired RHP Roel Ramirez in a four-player deal from the Rays for OF Tommy Pham.

Ramirez was an eighth-round pick by the Rays in 2013 who struggled as a starter as a professional, but he’s pitched better since being converted to relief; particularly in the ability to miss bats (60 over 53 1 / 3 innings at the High-A and Double-A levels. He projects as a middle reliever, and won’t have much fantasy value in that role.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7269572	Think about the Cardinals' problem: a roster jammed with two win players. Now, what did they do: they traded a guy with a career average of 4.5 WAR/600 PA for two guys that have 2-3 WAR ceilings and a scrub reliever. This is the exact opposite of what they should be doing, but Mo seems determined to have a 40 man filled with guys that project as average starters. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Marco Polo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W Casino cash: $3988908	Rays acquired OF Tommy Pham from the Cardinals for LHP Genesis Cabrera, OF Justin Williams and RHP Roel Ramirez. The Rays are getting $500,000 in international bonus money in the deal. This comes a bit out of nowhere, but it seems lots of Tampa Bay deals come out of nowhere. Pham was sensational in 2017 with a 23 homers, 25 steals and a .931 OPS, but he hasn’t been close that player in 2018 with a .248/.331/.399 line over 396 at-bats. He has hit 14 homers and 10 steals, however, so the power/speed combination is still readily apparent in the 30-year-old outfielder. He should be an everyday player for the Rays, and he’s still capable of helping you in redraft leagues. You just shouldn’t ever expect to see the player you saw in 2017, because that version (probably) isn’t coming back. Cardinals acquired LHP Genesis Cabrera from the Cardinals in a four-player deal for OF Tommy Pham. Cabrera is a left-hander whose fastball can get up to 97 mph, and his slider gives him another potential out pitch. His command is well behind his stuff at this point, and he’ll need to improve his change if he’s going to be a starter at the highest level. He could be a very effective reliever, but expect the Cardinals to give the 21-year-old a chance to develop as a starter, knowing the bullpen is a safe fallback option. Cardinals acquired OF Justin Williams from the Rays in a four-player deal for OF Tommy Pham. Williams received a small cup of coffee with the Rays this year, and he’s hit .258 this year over 356 at-bats with Triple-A Durham in 2018. A second-round pick by Arizona that was acquired in the Jeremy Hellickson trade in 2014, Williams flashes five solid tools, but his below-average approach at the plate has made it tough for him to tap into his offensive potential. He’s just 22-years-old, and he could be a late bloomer in the right development system. The Cardinals have proven to do well with these type of prospects, but there’s just as much risk as reward. Cardinals acquired RHP Roel Ramirez in a four-player deal from the Rays for OF Tommy Pham. Ramirez was an eighth-round pick by the Rays in 2013 who struggled as a starter as a professional, but he’s pitched better since being converted to relief; particularly in the ability to miss bats (60 over 53 1 / 3 innings at the High-A and Double-A levels. He projects as a middle reliever, and won’t have much fantasy value in that role.
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