***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jaa1025]

NYC advised nearly 1/4 of their population has tested positive for antibodies. Their population is 8.77~ million. They have had 12287 deaths due to coronavirus. This puts their mortality rate at .14%.

However, given their propensity to categorize nearly every death as a COVID-19 death it's probably much lower.

The flu typically has a mortality rate of .1% every year.

This was the biggest overreaction to a "pandemic" that we've seen in our lifetime and people (China, WHO, CDC, DC, MSM etc.) should be held accountable.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

NYC advised nearly 1/4 of their population has tested positive for antibodies. Their population is 8.77~ million. They have had 12287 deaths due to coronavirus. This puts their mortality rate at .14%.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

NYC advised nearly 1/4 of their population has tested positive for antibodies. Their population is 8.77~ million. They have had 12287 deaths due to coronavirus. This puts their mortality rate at .14%.

However, given their propensity to categorize nearly every death as a COVID-19 death it's probably much lower.

The flu typically has a mortality rate of .1% every year.

This was the biggest overreaction to a "pandemic" that we've seen in our lifetime and people (China, WHO, CDC, DC, MSM etc.) should be held accountable.

How is something that overloaded our hospital/health system an overreaction?

I don't recall that occurring in my 36 year lifetime.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Donger

[notorious]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

NYC advised nearly 1/4 of their population has tested positive for antibodies. Their population is 8.77~ million. They have had 12287 deaths due to coronavirus. This puts their mortality rate at .14%.

However, given their propensity to categorize nearly every death as a COVID-19 death it's probably much lower.

The flu typically has a mortality rate of .1% every year.

This was the biggest overreaction to a "pandemic" that we've seen in our lifetime and people (China, WHO, CDC, DC, MSM etc.) should be held accountable.

You have to apply the same "unreported" cases with the flu, too.

The death rate is still way lower than the experts predicted. Thank goodness.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

NYC advised nearly 1/4 of their population has tested positive for antibodies. Their population is 8.77~ million. They have had 12287 deaths due to coronavirus. This puts their mortality rate at .14%.

However, given their propensity to categorize nearly every death as a COVID-19 death it's probably much lower.

The flu typically has a mortality rate of .1% every year.

This was the biggest overreaction to a "pandemic" that we've seen in our lifetime and people (China, WHO, CDC, DC, MSM etc.) should be held accountable.

New York State has a population of 20 million. There have been over 22 thousand deaths due to COVID in the entire state. If they did not have a single additional death from COVID and everyone else was infected and survived, the IFR would be 0.113%.

Even if you went on the NYC prevalence of 25%, which is far higher than the state average, the IFR would be four times as high, and that's if no one else dies.

tl;dr version: your math sucks.

[Rain Man]

It seems like any question of deaths could be resolved pretty quickly. Assuming that there's no other pandemic going on, and correcting for potential seasonal patterns, just look at the normal death rate and number of deaths, and compare it to what we've got this year. The difference is due to covid. Whether it killed a healthy person or exacerbated an underlying existing health issue, it's responsible for that difference.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

How is something that overloaded our hospital/health system an overreaction?

I don't recall that occurring in my 36 year lifetime.

When did this happen?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

How is something that overloaded our hospital/health system an overreaction?

I don't recall that occurring in my 36 year lifetime.

Or over 100 Doctors dying in a in Italy treating this Hoax of a virus.(not typical for flu seasons)

A new mysterious virus coming out of China that is more dangerous and virulent than a well know virus that is considered very dangerous and very virulent with no known cures or treatments or vaccines, with images of mass disinfection of public places and hospitals being overwhelmed with multiple new hospitals being built to accommodate the sick and bodies pilling up.

Ya what a complete overreaction.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

It seems like any question of deaths could be resolved pretty quickly. Assuming that there's no other pandemic going on, and correcting for potential seasonal patterns, just look at the normal death rate and number of deaths, and compare it to what we've got this year. The difference is due to covid. Whether it killed a healthy person or exacerbated an underlying existing health issue, it's responsible for that difference.

That's been done for quite a while. In areas of Lombardy it was 400-450% higher. In areas of Ecuador it's 700% higher. In NYC, it's more than twice as high.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...york-city.html

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

It seems like any question of deaths could be resolved pretty quickly. Assuming that there's no other pandemic going on, and correcting for potential seasonal patterns, just look at the normal death rate and number of deaths, and compare it to what we've got this year. The difference is due to covid. Whether it killed a healthy person or exacerbated an underlying existing health issue, it's responsible for that difference.

They do that and the numbers may go up or down as time goes on I assume as they get better info.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Because he shouldn't be using the population of the state to calculate CFR.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Ok, quickly, without looking, who do you all think has the most posts in this thread?

Peter for sure.

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

How is something that overloaded our hospital/health system an overreaction?

I don't recall that occurring in my 36 year lifetime.

It hasn’t.

Our hospitals are empty outside of NYC.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

It hasn’t.

Our hospitals are empty outside of NYC.

I wonder why.