***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

The fact that Clay and suzzer are on here and haven't posted in weeks....

User Name	Posts
petegz28	1,568
Donger	        1,480
TLO	        1,203
O.city	        850
BigRedChief	847
Monticore	793
Mecca	        568
BleedingRed	509
Hammock Parties	477
PAChiefsGuy	466
Marcellus	445
eDave	        441
SupDock	        431
Titty Meat	415
DaFace	        409
DaneMcCloud	406
'Hamas' Jenkins	394
SAUTO	        380
DJ's left nut	380
suzzer99	371

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I wonder why.

There is an argument to be made it was never a risk outside of NYC.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

The fact that Clay and suzzer are on here and haven't posted in weeks....

User Name	Posts
petegz28	1,568
Donger	        1,480
TLO	        1,203
O.city	        850
BigRedChief	847
Monticore	793
Mecca	        568
BleedingRed	509
Hammock Parties	477
PAChiefsGuy	466
Marcellus	445
eDave	        441
SupDock	        431
Titty Meat	415
DaFace	        409
DaneMcCloud	406
'Hamas' Jenkins	394
SAUTO	        380
DJ's left nut	380
suzzer99	371

Jesus I need a life lol.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Jesus I need a life lol.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

There is an argument to be made it was never a risk outside of NYC.

It is possible or the measures put in place helped because they were put in earlier.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

The fact that Clay and suzzer are on here and haven't posted in weeks....

User Name	Posts
petegz28	1,568
Donger	        1,480
TLO	        1,203
O.city	        850
BigRedChief	847
Monticore	793
Mecca	        568
BleedingRed	509
Hammock Parties	477
PAChiefsGuy	466
Marcellus	445
eDave	        441
SupDock	        431
Titty Meat	415
DaFace	        409
DaneMcCloud	406
'Hamas' Jenkins	394
SAUTO	        380
DJ's left nut	380
suzzer99	371

Now you need to list the posters that have been banned from this thread!


(please?)

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by notorious

So were are back to cocaine being good again I guess.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

There is an argument to be made it was never a risk outside of NYC.

We'll never know, unfortunately... and I think it's more likely this becomes the standard with Covid next winter and similar things in the future than saying "let's try only kind of locking down next time and see how many people die, then compare".

[Monticore]

Like 80% of my posts are in this thread alone, I wonder what my CFR is.

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

New York State has a population of 20 million. There have been over 22 thousand deaths due to COVID in the entire state. If they did not have a single additional death from COVID and everyone else was infected and survived, the IFR would be 0.113%.

Even if you went on the NYC prevalence of 25%, which is far higher than the state average, the IFR would be four times as high, and that's if no one else dies.

tl;dr version: your math sucks.

Yes, I was doing it in my head. Regardless, it doesn’t change the fact that two independent studies (Berkeley and Florida) show the death rate at .12%.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

It could just be the lack of a major outbreak and the weather making me feel like we're beyond it (not that it means we didn't do the right things to begin with, of course), but it really does seem like we're due for the 'starting somewhere' part this week, if not days ago.

Seems like to some extent it's moved from 'don't overwhelm the hospitals' to 'save every life possible'.... obviously, it shouldn't be "well, if only 50 more people die, at least we can go to Papadeaux's again", but still.

But.... it's hard to stay the course and do the right thing when everyone is also antsy as ****.

We were taking extreme precautions at work for over a month now and have 2 therapists testing positive this week. It’s crazy to me and shows just how contagious this can be. I feel like it could still likely blow up here quick.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

Yes, I was doing it in my head. Regardless, it doesn’t change the fact that two independent studies (Berkeley and Florida) show the death rate at .12%.

Will you post them?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

Yes, I was doing it in my head. Regardless, it doesn’t change the fact that two independent studies (Berkeley and Florida) show the death rate at .12%.

Death(mortality) rate and case fatality rate are different things I believe.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Monticore

So were are back to cocaine being good again I guess.

Was it ever bad?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It is possible or the measures put in place helped because they were put in earlier.

There is no doubt the measures have helped that's not the argument.