***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bowser]

As of this morning around KC proper -

Jackson County - 500 cases, 15 deaths
Clay County - 68 cases, 1 death
Platte County - 31 cases, 0 deaths

St. Louis -

St. Louis - 2,897 cases, 137 deaths
St. Louis City - 1,097 cases, 54 deaths
St. Charles County - 543 cases, 27 deaths

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Corona...3d&FORM=COVIDR

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What if we never get a vaccine?

And that is a very real possibility.

People seem to overlook the fact that there has never been a viable/scalable vaccine for any type of human coronavirus since this family of virus was discovered in humans 60 years ago.

SARS, MERS, even the common cold... no FDA approved vaccine in 60 years.

[2112]

Health care workers taking a beating here. My buddy’s wife is a nurse and she comes home from a 14 hour shift and her hair is falling out from the stress. I wear that mask for 15 minutes to go shopping and I can’t ****ing breathe. Can you imagine working all day with that thing on?

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The point is more that transmission doesn't just occur in the confines of a home. It is more likely there due to time and proximity, but it's far from the only place this virus gets spread, and that's true regardless of who the carrier is.

Ah, I gotcha. I do wonder how many people are paying close enough attention to this to truly understand the exponential spread involved with it.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

And that is a very real possibility.

People seem to overlook the fact that there has never been a viable/scalable vaccine for any type of human coronavirus since this family of virus was discovered in humans 60 years ago.

SARS, MERS, even the common cold... no FDA approved vaccine in 60 years.

SARS and MERS went away and the cost associated with developing one wasn’t feasible . Also science has improved (excluding predicting the future) so there is hope.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Inflammatory damage to the body is not always seen instantly. Who knows if covid damage done in a young person today doesn’t come back to haunt then down the road .

If only young people cared about shit like that....


Old person talking to young me: Hey, you shouldn't smoke, you'll regret it when you're 50.


Young me: lol whatever...go away old person..

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Inflammatory damage to the body is not always seen instantly. Who knows if covid damage done in a young person today doesn’t come back to haunt then down the road .

You doctors just love doom and gloom shit.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Bowser

As of this morning around KC proper -

Jackson County - 500 cases, 15 deaths
Clay County - 68 cases, 1 death
Platte County - 31 cases, 0 deaths
Johnson County KS - 446 cases, 46 deaths
Wyandotte County KS - 581 cases, 53 deaths
Douglas County KS 49 cases, ? deaths

~Totals 1675 cases, 115 deaths

St. Louis -

St. Louis - 2,897 cases, 137 deaths
St. Louis City - 1,097 cases, 54 deaths
St. Charles County - 543 cases, 27 deaths

~Totals 4537 cases, 218 deaths

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Corona...3d&FORM=COVIDR

Kansas City's broader metro area is roughly 80% of the population of St. Louis's.

Shouldn't their case numbers be a lot closer?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Monticore

SARS and MERS went away and the cost associated with developing one wasn’t feasible . Also science has improved (excluding predicting the future) so there is hope.

"Hope" is not a realistic strategy for large scale events, restaurants, gyms, haircut establishments and other businesses that some want to remain closed or at reduced capacity until there is a vaccine.

There may not be a scalable/effective vaccine for several years or ever.

Herd immunity is a more realistic strategy.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

If only young people cared about shit like that....


Old person talking to young me: Hey, you shouldn't smoke, you'll regret it when you're 50.


Young me: lol whatever...go away old person..

My could have died from RSV as a newborn ( severe apnea spells), he is lucky that he only developed mild exercises induced asthma, is it possible he would have developed it anyways who knows but we made damn sure nobody and near our second son for months after his birth.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

"Hope" is not a realistic strategy for large scale events, restaurants, gyms, haircut establishments and other businesses that some want to remain closed or at reduced capacity until there is a vaccine.

There may not be a scalable/effective vaccine for several years or ever.

Herd immunity is a more realistic strategy.

Immunity doesn’t last for ever, and could re-infection make symptoms worse or milder.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You doctors just love doom and gloom shit.

I’m am not a doctor but I consider myself a realist lol. When I buy an item I like to know the negatives as well so I can make an informed decision.

[notorious]

We all know this is going to pass through just about everyone, eventually. People will die, and it sucks, but we can't hide from this forever.

By isolating ourselves we've given the hospitals a chance to take in the people that need care at a somewhat controlled rate. By some miracle a vaccine will be developed (not holding my breath) that will protect everyone.


It is possible.......sit down for this........that both sides of the argument are correct. Distancing and herd mentality work.

[dirk digler]

From the CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...asting-us.html

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

From the CDC


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...asting-us.html

Covid models are the 2020 meme.