Chiefs Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time - Page 17

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 11:14 AM

After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this.

Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures:

Tom Bettis - 1977
Frank Gansz - 1987-1988
Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000
Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977
John Mackovic - 1983-1986

Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past.

Dave

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Sorry dude...you've said nothing convincing. We'll simply never know whether these guys really degraded as fast as people think because they instantly got thrown into a blocking system that was not their thing. Even Brian Waters wasn't up to snuff this year. Why? Because he was more suited for the previous style of pulling more often. Others can see this...you can not. We disagree. Move on.

Oh...and the middle three ARE Vermeil holdovers...

Welbourn and Terry are not suited for anything. They suck. So does Wiegmann. None of them will be on an NFL roster next year.

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

We suck in the second half because Herm Edwards believes in short practices. So we practice for an hour and half. Then we play the game and look OK for an hour and a half. When we come back out, we're tired... The other guys... Not so much.

We have many other problems as well, but this is the reason for the first/second half descrepancy, IMO...

I don't agree with this. We were just fine in the second half last year.

dallaschiefsfan · 12-30-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Welbourn and Terry are not suited for anything. They suck. So does Wiegmann. None of them will be on an NFL roster next year.

Terry was a mistake...Turley was a gamble. You are completely wrong on Wiegman, though...he played very well in the former blocking system. He plays like any guy of his size would play in the Herminator's system. He gets roughed up all they time because he's not suited to block in this system. He should have retired with Shields and saved himself from an impossible situation.

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Terry was a mistake...Turley was a gamble. You are completely wrong on Wiegman, though...he played very well in the former blocking system. He plays like any guy of his size would play in the Herminator's system. He gets roughed up all they time because he's not suited to block in this system. He should have retired with Shields and saved himself from an impossible situation.

Wiegmann sucks. The guy is good at pulling, yes. You can't pull him on every play.

**Dave Lane** · 12-25-2008, 08:52 AM

A bump for year #3 any arguments now??

**cdcox** · 12-25-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

Let the record note that you're willing to give Herm more time than even I - the uber-Herm defender - is willing to give him. If we're this bad in 2008, he will and should be fired.

If I'm not mistaken, Zouk is still a strong Herm defender.

Deberg_1990 · 12-25-2008, 09:20 AM

haha...nice bump. Perhaps the best bump of all time.

**Dave Lane** · 12-25-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

haha...nice bump. Perhaps the best bump of all time.

I thought it was pretty interesting after reading the comments...

crossbow · 12-25-2008, 10:20 AM

If the Home opener debacle against the Raiders didn't expose Herm then there is no hope for you guys. His team wasn't even close to being prepared to take the field. It was all I needed to see.

Lets give Charlie Manson another chance too. I don't think it is fair to judge a man after only one slip up.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-25-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I think Herm came in saddled with an OC and a DC dictated by CP. Herm has mentioned on a couple of occasions lately that there are things he can not talk about as directed by powers above in the organization. And even though he came out and said Gun is his man for the DC spot, it is clear they are not on the same page.

I really believe Herm and Dungy are of the same mold, and I like what Dungy has done in both Indy and Tampa. But I believe Herm needs to be allowed to run the team the way he sees fit, and not with the meddling of the GM to interfer with the everyday operations of the coaching staff.

Another person brainwashed by Herm.

Tom Moore was forced on Tony Dungy. Tony Dungy changed because Peyton Manning forced him to.

Herm picked his coordinators. He picked Gunther. He wanted Gunther in NY, but he came back here.

His ****ing record is 15-33 in 3 years. That's with 9 wins the first year.

**Dave Lane** · 12-25-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I'm on the fence on this issue. What coach would have had this collection of inept talent further along at this point? We know Carl has meddled with the situation and delayed a true "rebuild," which is what Herm wanted from the start.

I don't think Herm is taking us anywhere, but he deserves the chance to build his own team. I guess what I'm trying to say is, give him as much rope to hang himself with as possible. If we're this bad in 2009, pull the plug.

Ouch

Hammock Parties · 12-25-2008, 10:51 PM

I stand by that statement. Herm hung himself in my eyes this year.

JohnnyV13 · 12-25-2008, 11:15 PM

Herm needs another year because my Voodoo priestess had rotator cuff surgery and hasn't been able to finish her voodoo doll. If we fire Herm this year, he will not properly suffer for his sins.

smittysbar · 12-26-2008, 12:02 AM

Ha Ha, great bump

whoman69 · 12-26-2008, 10:37 AM

If this forum had been around in 1977 you could have taken many of these posts, replaced Herm Edwards with Paul Wiggin and they would fit seemlessly. I express ZERO confidence that Herm's scheme could build a winner let alone a Super Bowl winner. Herm has shown ZERO that indicates he should be back for another season. He should have been let go after the Oakland game only Carl Pederson would have signed his own resignation papers at this time. Carl and Herm were tied together. Since CP is now gone, this nightmare which was the Herm Edwards era can finally end.

12-17-2007, 11:14 AM
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this. Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures: Tom Bettis - 1977 Frank Gansz - 1987-1988 Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000 Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977 John Mackovic - 1983-1986 Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past. Dave
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12-25-2008, 08:52 AM	#245
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12-25-2008, 10:20 AM	#249
crossbow King of Sarcasm Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: at home Casino cash: $10004900	If the Home opener debacle against the Raiders didn't expose Herm then there is no hope for you guys. His team wasn't even close to being prepared to take the field. It was all I needed to see. Lets give Charlie Manson another chance too. I don't think it is fair to judge a man after only one slip up.
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12-25-2008, 10:51 PM	#252
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $810478	I stand by that statement. Herm hung himself in my eyes this year. __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-25-2008, 11:15 PM	#253
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $5385200	Herm needs another year because my Voodoo priestess had rotator cuff surgery and hasn't been able to finish her voodoo doll. If we fire Herm this year, he will not properly suffer for his sins.
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12-26-2008, 12:02 AM	#254
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