Science is so racist

[Silock]

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...ck_hole_a.html

A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon.

County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts.

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."

That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

Mayfield shot back that it was a figure of speech and a science term.

[Skip Towne]

[kepp]

Aren't judges supposed to be...learned?

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by kepp

Aren't judges supposed to be...learned?

No, they don't have to learned anymore once they get the job.

[Lonewolf Ed]

I love black licorice. Does that make me a bad person?

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf Ed

I love black licorice. Does that make me a bad person?

Makes you an Anise loving Mo Fo.
~ That's some nasty shit.

[Duck Dog]

I believe the time is coming when the term 'racist' has been so over used that no one listens anymore.

[bishop_74]

Product of Affirmative Action. You don't have to be knowledgeable and work hard to graduate from college ... you just have to be a minority.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by bishop_74

Product of Affirmative Action. You don't have to be knowledgeable and work hard to graduate from college ... you just have to be a minority.

Dumbass statement of the year.
I've yet to see one black person truly benefit from AA while being under performed to do a job.

I'd love to hear of your example(s).

I understand you're joining /piling on all in fun but that statement is just plain ignorant and can lead to influencing others ignorance.

~Yes I take offense to it.

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Dumbass statement of the year.
I've yet to see one black person truly benefit from AA while being under performed to do a job.

I'd love to hear of your example(s).

I understand you're joining /piling on all in fun but that statement is just plain ignorant and can lead to influencing others ignorance.

~Yes I take offense to it.

Wouldn't it be better to know that a person got a position as a result of his/her qualifications instead of ethnicity or gender?

Equal outcomes can't be the end goal, equal opportunities can be and it would be up to the person to make the most of his/her opportunity.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

Wouldn't it be better to know that a person got a position as a result of his/her qualifications instead of ethnicity or gender?

Equal outcomes can't be the end goal, equal opportunities can be and it would be up to the person to make the most of his/her opportunity.

That's just it... AA kinda takes the racism slant out of hiring practices by forcing traditionally white establishments to diversify.

I know people think AA isn't right but how else would the playing field be level when (my figures) 90% of CEO's, directors, etc are probably the stereotypical white male who'd otherwise tend to hire their own?

I think AA is a way to level the playing field. It's not so bad that 1-2 black people (out of 100's of jobs being offered) get preferential treatment when their qualifications are just as good as the next man (no matter what color). But if their qualifications are inferior to the other man's then i'd have a problem with that as well.

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by wutamess

That's just it... AA kinda takes the racism slant out of hiring practices by forcing traditionally white establishments to diversify.

I know people think AA isn't right but how else would the playing field be level when (my figures) 90% of CEO's, directors, etc are probably the stereotypical white male who'd otherwise tend to hire their own?

I think AA is a way to level the playing field. It's not so bad that 1-2 black people (out of 100's of jobs being offered) get preferential treatment when their qualifications are just as good as the next man (no matter what color). But if their qualifications are inferior to the other man's then i'd have a problem with that as well.

It is a very tough situation.

I think the more the older generation leaves the work place, the more chances there will be for advancement for people of different ethnicities and gender. My parents, who are in there 70's, are very old school in that regard.


People, regardless of background, have to realize that it takes hard work to be successful and there aren't any real short cuts to get there.

[ohiobronco2]

Originally Posted by wutamess

That's just it... AA kinda takes the racism slant out of hiring practices by forcing traditionally white establishments to diversify.

I know people think AA isn't right but how else would the playing field be level when (my figures) 90% of CEO's, directors, etc are probably the stereotypical white male who'd otherwise tend to hire their own?

I think AA is a way to level the playing field. It's not so bad that 1-2 black people (out of 100's of jobs being offered) get preferential treatment when their qualifications are just as good as the next man (no matter what color). But if their qualifications are inferior to the other man's then i'd have a problem with that as well.

I can see how some people would have a positive view of Affirmative Action. However, I think the best practice is to hire the most qualified individual. Race shouldn't be a factor. Using race to select or disqualify an applicant is racist in and of itself. I know that there is a, "good ole boys" club as you stated, when it comes to CEO's and upper management. Getting admitted to this club has much more to do with social status and wealth than race. Also, as many of us already know, it's not what you know, it's who you know. Frankly, I think there are many ways one can improve employment opportunities in the African American community.

First off it starts with education. Many black and white inner city kids don't get a shot at a decent education. Inner city schools are filled with out dated textbooks, teachers who only work there as a last resort and drugs/violence. These children go to schools that resemble prisons. So what is the answer? It is quite complicated. More funding would go a long way, but these impoverished folks need to want to rid their communities of these negative elements and to improve overall themselves. It would do no good to pour millions of dollars to improve the aesthetics of the neighborhood and school system if people don't want to change.

Another problem facing too many children of all races, is being born into single parent households. Many men are failing to live up to their obligations (insert Travis Henry joke here) and are skiping out on their responsibilities for whatever reasons. Sometimes it is imprisionment, sometimes death, sometimes they just don't give a damn or want the responsibility. Studies show that kids who are the product of single parent households are more likely to be poor students. Kids will be more apt to act out and let their grades slip without their parents taking an interest in them and their school work. It is extemely difficult for single parents who have to work a full time job and raise children on their own.

Finally, I think role models play a huge part in one's success. Studies do show that black children are more likely to idolize sports figures and entertainers. While white children are more likely to idolize doctors, lawyers, and politicians. The problem of course lies in the fact that it is much easier to be a lawyer or doctor than it is to be the next Jay Z or Michael Jordan. Just my thoughts.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

Wouldn't it be better to know that a person got a position as a result of his/her qualifications instead of ethnicity or gender?

Absolutely, but remember AA prohibits the hiring/admissions of unqualified candidates. There are certainly instances of hiring/admissions where the candidates are unequal, but mostly where the differences are small and indistinguishable.

But while we're on the subject...Are you prepared to take seniority or accreditation away from White workers/students who benefitted from preferential hiring/admissions?

[Iowanian]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

Wouldn't it be better to know that a person got a position as a result of his/her qualifications instead of ethnicity or gender?

Equal outcomes can't be the end goal, equal opportunities can be and it would be up to the person to make the most of his/her opportunity.

I don't really want in the middle of this discussion, however....

2 years ago, I interviewed for a good job, and was told by the director that I was hands down the best applicant and had several years of better experience than any other applicant. He called back a week later and said that he was told by HR that he was to "hire an affirmative action qualifier" and wasn't going to be able to offer me the position.

I know my dad is routinely told by HR to diversify his staff in an ag related business. He said he's hired every black and latino that have ever applied for one of his positions. Zero. In the midwest, in an ag related industry, and corporate from a coast growls about the diversity. Women and a couple of token gheys will have to do.

In any job, the best candidate should win. period.



That said....if the statements in the thread starter are true, its a sad reality of how hypersensitive our society is becoming.

I heard that next year the 4th of July and Cinco de Mayo were being outlawed as discriminatory holidays....they discriminate against people who can only count to 3.