According to NFL Network

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The Chiefs first pick will be at 13. Washington is putting together their ammo to get this done.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

According to ESPN a 4 team trade involving the Jets,Redskins,Seahawks, and Browns will be involved in Sanchez sweepstakes with various trades

See, that's the important part right there. I wonder what it's like to have more than two teams who are interested in your QB?

Sweepstakes vs. 7-11 Scratch ticket = Yep, that's exactly what it is.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

According to ESPN a 4 team trade involving the Jets,Redskins,Seahawks, and Browns will be involved in Sanchez sweepstakes with various trades

The first 3 team I understand, but the Browns?

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

You attempt to use the Carolina/Philly trade as an example that a team wont trade a future 1st round pick and a high 2nd round pick to move into the bottom of the 1st round.

The 19th overall pick is not the bottom of the 1st Round.
Just as 43rd overall is not the top of the 2nd Round.

Again, that's a difference of 24 picks (400 points).

When it's shown that Carolina DID trade a future 1st round pick and (essentially) a high 2nd round pick to move into the bottom of the 1st round THEN it's "obvious that Philadelphia got the better end of the deal."

Nice. Backtrack much?

I haven't backtracked at all.

They traded #43, #109, and #28 (in the current year's draft).
So let's do the math (according to the draft value chart)...

Philadelphia: #19 = 875
Carolina: #43/#109/#28 (2009 Draft) = 1,206
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Carolina gave up more than 331 points.
They could've gotten it done for less than their #1 this year, but they were really high on Otah.
It can't even be argued that Philadelphia didn't get the better end of this deal.
The numbers bear that out. Teams do overpay. This is the NFL.

You were saying?

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Micjones

The 19th overall pick is not the bottom of the 1st Round.
Just as 43rd overall is not the top of the 2nd Round.

Again, that's a difference of 24 picks (400 points).



I haven't backtracked at all.

They traded #43, #109, and #28 (in the current year's draft).
So let's do the math (according to the draft value chart)...

Philadelphia: #19 = 875
Carolina: #43/#109/#28 (2009 Draft) = 1,206
_________________________
Carolina gave up more than 331 points.
They could've gotten it done for less than their #1 this year, but they were really high on Otah.
It can't even be argued that Philadelphia didn't get the better end of this deal.
The numbers bear that out. Teams do overpay. This is the NFL.

You were saying?

Your math is WRONG. It's really not that hard to understand but you just don't get the concept.

Philly traded #19 = 875 = BOTTOM of 1st round. If it's below the middle (#16) then it's toward the bottom.

Carolina traded #43 and #109 = 546 = #35 OVERALL = TOP OF 2ND ROUND plus a 1st round pick in 2009.

You can't equate the 2009 pick to 660 pts. When the Panthers traded it they had no clue what pick they would have in 2009 - just that it would be in round 1. A year later. Which devalues it.

I'm done trying to explain it to you since you obviously cannot comprehend the simple fact that a 1st round pick a year later is devalued by a round.

You choose to be wrong, and you're entitled to that, but I'm finished trying to show you the right methodology. You can stay wrong.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by Pittsie

The first 3 team I understand, but the Browns?

Apparently they don't like Quinn, but I think it's an elaborate smokescreen to try and make their pick appear more valuable.

[eazyb81]

A trade with Washington would be nice from a pure value standpoint, but it would be a bit bittersweet for me because I really think Tyson Jackson would be a beast once we switch to the 3-4 and we will almost surely miss out on him since we'll end up picking after Green Bay and Denver.

[Stryker]

FROM ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=4092024

Several teams in play for SanchezComment Email Print Share By Sal Paolantonio
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In the final days leading up to the NFL draft, league sources say there is developing intrigue surrounding a host of teams interesting in selecting quarterback Mark Sanchez.

The most serious interest in Sanchez, a USC product, is coming from the Seattle Seahawks at No. 4; the Cleveland Browns at No. 5; the Washington Redskins at No. 13; and the New York Jets at No. 17. Several current veteran quarterbacks, including Brady Quinn of the Browns and Jason Campbell of the Redskins, would be on the block should either team select Sanchez.

The Redskins have talked about a number of scenarios, especially this one: trading from 13th to fourth and selecting Sanchez, then dealing Campbell to another team, perhaps the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or the Jets -- to recoup lost picks.

Campbell's second-half drop-off last season concerned the Redskins' front office enough that it has stepped up its pursuit of Sanchez. Campbell also is in a contract year and Washington would have to invest franchise-type money to keep him for 2010 and beyond.

The Browns' interest in receiver Michael Crabtree has waned, so Cleveland has discussed taking Sanchez with the fifth pick, then trading Quinn perhaps to the Bucs or Jets. The Jets, league sources say, appear to be the team most interested in obtaining Quinn, but New York still is trying to piece together a trade package to jump above Washington and pick Sanchez.

Sal Paolantonio covers the NFL for ESPN.

[MMXcalibur]

My impression of our new GM, Pioli is NOT going to get the raw end of ANY trade. I just don't get anywhere near the kind of impression that he'd make a move where the Chiefs didn't come out ahead.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

What I think is fair for Washington, and for the team selling off Sanchez, is this:

first- and third-round picks this year, and a second-rounder next year.

Forget the points. It's just fair value.

Carl? Is that you? I thought you were gone. Get away from the draft room. Far Far away

[CoMoChief]

The Chiefs should hold the rights to Sanchez then if this is going to happen.

[redngold85]

Originally Posted by EyePod

If it was their 1st, next years 1st, and this year's third. I would have many beers of joy.

yes!

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Your math is WRONG. It's really not that hard to understand but you just don't get the concept.

You could debate with two people and still manage to come in fifth.
The numbers speak for themselves.

I fully understand the concept.
And again, I'm one of several posters in this very thread that disagree with your contention about how much future #1's devalue from year to year.

Peter King begs to differ. And he's forgotten more about the NFL Draft than either of us have ever known.

Philly traded #19 = 875 = BOTTOM of 1st round. If it's below the middle (#16) then it's toward the bottom.

Semantics.
Let's not get carried away with the connotative definition of "bottom".

What's more important is how the pick is valued.
And it's much more valuable than, say, the 28th pick in the First Round.
The only point I was trying to make.

You can't equate the 2009 pick to 660 pts. When the Panthers traded it they had no clue what pick they would have in 2009 - just that it would be in round 1. A year later. Which devalues it.

Which means Philadelphia gave up the 19th overall pick for a #2 (2008), a #4 (2008), and a #2 (2009).
I'm sure Philadelphia sees the trade through the same lenses.

I'm done trying to explain it to you since you obviously cannot comprehend the simple fact that a 1st round pick a year later is devalued by a round.

It's not devalued by an entire round. And you haven't produced one shred of evidence to substantiate that claim. I'm sure a GM like Pioli, who has taken future picks quite often, has done so under the belief that they're devalued picks.

We'll just forget the fact that the guy who came up with the damn chart, himself, said that ONLY picks in Rounds 2-7 devalue by an entire round in the following year's draft. The First Round is exempt.

So apparently...I'm wrong AND...It's opposite day.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's

Washington doesn't have enough ammo to get to #3 unless they start trading next year's picks.

I think their 1, 3, next year's 2 and Campbell should do the trick. Then Pioli will trade Campbell to TB for their 2nd and we end up with 1, 2, 3a, 3b this year and 2 2nds next year. Is this farfetched IYO everybody?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I think their 1, 3, next year's 2 and Campbell should do the trick. Then Pioli will trade Campbell to TB for their 2nd and we end up with 1, 2, 3a, 3b this year and 2 2nds next year. Is this farfetched IYO everybody?

I don't know why anybody would want Campbell.

[chiefscafan]

I like this deal I was also thinking why don't redskins trade campbel for a second and maybe another pick then trade us for 3 13 second pick third pick and pick next year would you do it?