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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

Mecca · 12-21-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

You can't be patient at all. They've had 14 games. That's the appropriate window for a GM/HC tandem.

TIME TO CUT BAIT.

So you believe that one day Haley will wake up and just not be a dumbass? That is basically what you are saying.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

I just hope he's smart enough to fire his entire ****ing staff and bring in a competent DC and an inventive OC. If he isn't; then it's career suicide.

The decision about his staff should not be Haley's decision at this point.

Mecca · 12-21-2009, 09:02 PM

Even if he gets a better staff around him he's in charge of gameday management, of course it'd be great if he had an assistant for that.

Yo Todd going for it here is not a good move, shut the **** up we're going for it! Ok Todd have it your way but you're going to look dumb...

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Are you for real?

The same guy who stated he was "proud" to watch the Chiefs under Haley for the first time in years?

This season has been nothing but a ****ing abortion. They don't know how to evaluate talent, they don't know how to coach and they don't know how to draft.

If Al Davis hadn't been hell-bent on proving that JaMarcus Russell was a true NFL QB, the Chiefs would be 2-12. If Polumalu & Roethisberger hadn't been injured, this team would be 1-13.

It's a ****ing joke.

Yet people defend them as if it's the 1980's 49er dynasty.

What a bunch of dumb****s.

Actually, I am not emotionally connected to Haley as many where with Herm....

Haley can stay or go, doesnt matter to me.... There are alot of things I would like to see changed, but IMO and to me personally, after living with Herm I can survive anything....

Pablo · 12-21-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So you believe that one day Haley will wake up and just not be a dumbass? That is basically what you are saying.

I believe once he gets an OC to take care of that side of the ball, he won't be so stressed and reeruned on the sidelines and probably make better decisions in general.

He's over-worked. And he did it to himself.

So, yeah; I'm willing to give him more than one season where he basically decided he was going to run the entire ****ing show and failed at it. If Haley insists on the HC/OC role again next year, he's a tard. If he doesn't lobby for an almost completely new coaching staff, including a DC and a QB coach, he's a tard.

But, I'm patient like that. I didn't expect great things this year. But I also didn't expect Gailey to get canned and for us to bring in Pendergast either. If the epic ****-up's continue next year, goodbye. But, I'm not for pulling the plug on a brand new regime right now, especially a first time HC.

No doubt, he's been an epic fail this year. But I guess there's nowhere to go but WAY up.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Actually, I am not emotionally connected to Haley as many where with Herm....

Haley can stay or go, doesnt matter to me.... There are alot of things I would like to see changed, but IMO and to me personally, after living with Herm I can survive anything....

I'd like to see them ALL gone. Pioli included.

Unfortunately, Clark Hunt isn't Steven Ross/Wayne Huizenga or Randy Lerner or Dan Snyder, etc.

Hunt would probably stick with them for a decade without a playoff appearance, much like his father.

The Chiefs ownership sucks ****ing ass.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

No doubt, he's been an epic fail this year. But I guess there's nowhere to go but WAY up.

That's what people said LAST year.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'd like to see them ALL gone. Pioli included.

Unfortunately, Clark Hunt isn't Steven Ross/Wayne Huizenga or Randy Lerner or Dan Snyder, etc.

Hunt would probably stick with them for a decade without a playoff appearance, much like his father.

The Chiefs ownership sucks ****ing ass.

I think you could add Al Davis in there as well.......

Dan Snyder? R u Serious?

Mecca · 12-21-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

I believe once he gets an OC to take care of that side of the ball, he won't be so stressed and reeruned on the sidelines and probably make better decisions in general.

He's over-worked. And he did it to himself.

So, yeah; I'm willing to give him more than one season where he basically decided he was going to run the entire ****ing show and failed at it. If Haley insists on the HC/OC role again next year, he's a tard. If he doesn't lobby for an almost completely new coaching staff, including a DC and a QB coach, he's a tard.

But, I'm patient like that. I didn't expect great things this year. But I also didn't expect Gailey to get canned and for us to bring in Pendergast either. If the epic ****-up's continue next year, goodbye. But, I'm not for pulling the plug on a brand new regime right now, especially a first time HC.

No doubt, he's been an epic fail this year. But I guess there's nowhere to go but WAY up.

You fired him on your Madden franchise admit it.

Pablo · 12-21-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's what people said LAST year.

Yeah, that's just because we'd all built up two decades of hate for CP and 3 years of hate for Herm.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's what people said LAST year.

Yep and still no where to go... The bottom is the bottom....

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

Yeah, that's just because we'd all built up two decades of hate for CP and 3 years of hate for Herm.

Who's this "we" you speak of, Kimosabe?

I actually wanted Herm to return, not for his coaching, but for his drafting and vision of the franchise.

I guarantee you that had that happened, this team would be MUCH further along in terms of talent on the roster and player development.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I think you could add Al Davis in there as well.......

Dan Snyder? R u Serious?

I mentioned Snyder because he has no problem with firing incompetent coaches.

Pablo · 12-21-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who's this "we" you speak of, Kimosabe?

I actually wanted Herm to return, not for his coaching, but for his drafting and vision of the franchise.

I guarantee you that had that happened, this team would be MUCH further along in terms of talent on the roster and player development.

The "we" is the general collective of Chiefs fans and CP.

I lobbied for Herm for a long time. Hell, when I first came to the board I was probably a Herm-Lover by CP definition. But, there weren't many folks who were too sad about his leaving.

And yeah, if Herm had stuck around and ran a 4-3 with his players and had another good draft, we'd be better off.

But I guarantee he'd still draw the ire of the masses just as much as Haley has; if not moreso.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I mentioned Snyder because he has no problem with firing incompetent coaches.

Are you watching this game tonight?

Zorn is completely reeruned and has been all year...

but then again, Snyder fired Marty, so your point is proven....

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2997187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	Even if he gets a better staff around him he's in charge of gameday management, of course it'd be great if he had an assistant for that. Yo Todd going for it here is not a good move, shut the **** up we're going for it! Ok Todd have it your way but you're going to look dumb...
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