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Old 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM  
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what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk?
OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:53 AM   #241
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Trent Green was surrounded by the best offensive talent the Chiefs have had in 40 years. Willie Roaf, Priest Holmes, Will Shields, and Tony G, among others, sure help make a QB look good.
yeah, unlike all those other good QBs who were surrounded by shitty players...thanks for the insight...
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:54 AM   #242
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Trent Green was surrounded by the best offensive talent the Chiefs have had in 40 years. Willie Roaf, Priest Holmes, Will Shields, and Tony G, among others, sure help make a QB look good.
So? Manning was slinging the ball to Harrison, Wayne, and Clark during that time and was the only QB to throw for more yards over a couple years span Green was in KC.
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:54 AM   #243
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Made of weed? Seriously, Cassel had a magical season last year. If he had the o line and run game Green had, we'd of beat Baltimore last year in the playoffs.


Charles had a magical season last year....our passing offense was one of the worst in the league

you are a ****ing idiot
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:55 AM   #244
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Made of weed? Seriously, Cassel had a magical season last year. If he had the o line and run game Green had, we'd of beat Baltimore last year in the playoffs.
Post your address so Trent Green can come over and bitch slap you...

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Post your address so Trent Green can come over and bitch slap you...

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Charles had a magical season last year....our passing offense was one of the worst in the league

you are a ****ing idiot
Yep, Jamaal Charles is worth 7 points a game to this offense and Cassel isn't worth shit.
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in Cassel's "magical season" he averaged 200 yards per game, completed only 58% of his passes, barely threw for 3000 yards and helmed the 30th rated passing attack in the league...


meanwhile Charles had the second highest yards per carry in nfl history...

Cassel is a joke
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:04 AM   #248
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Yep, Jamaal Charles is worth 7 points a game to this offense and Cassel isn't worth shit.
Yes he is worth something. And that value is negative. He's below replacement level as Orton made abundantly clear.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:06 AM   #249
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in Cassel's "magical season" he averaged 200 yards per game, completed only 58% of his passes, barely threw for 3000 yards and helmed the 30th rated passing attack in the league...


meanwhile Charles had the second highest yards per carry in nfl history...

Cassel is a joke
Well yes, by Cassel standards that is a "magical" season.

To every other QB worth thier salt that's a piss poor season...
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I honestly love threads like this, because it identifies people that I know I shouldn't waste my time debating with. I know Denny is 100% happy with retread QBs and he is afraid to take a chance drafting a young QB because he's happy with the last 40 years.

I know wutamess is going to be a knee-jerk reaction kid. 1 good game by Cutler (no TD passes and stalling in the redzone) outweighs several years of really good QB play by Green. No point debating anything.
When did we acquire Cutler?
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in Cassel's "magical season" he averaged 200 yards per game, completed only 58% of his passes, barely threw for 3000 yards and helmed the 30th rated passing attack in the league...


meanwhile Charles had the second highest yards per carry in nfl history...

Cassel is a joke
All of Cassel's high QB rating was embedded in his TD/Int rate, which is really noisy. As the Grantland article made clear, Cassel is the ****ing worst QB in the league who has attempted 1000 passes over the last 3 years. Yet we still get these morons that use "magical" and "Cassel" in the same sentence. Cassel is garbage.
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in Cassel's "magical season" he averaged 200 yards per game, completed only 58% of his passes, barely threw for 3000 yards and helmed the 30th rated passing attack in the league...


meanwhile Charles had the second highest yards per carry in nfl history..,
Oopsie...
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Cassel is magical. How else can you explain how he managed to make multiple millions of dollars and keep his starting job despite his tremendously piss poor play?
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Made of weed? Seriously, Cassel had a magical season last year. If he had the o line and run game Green had, we'd of beat Baltimore last year in the playoffs.


I don't usually do the age smack thing, but you have GOT to be 12 years old. Or younger.

I remember when I was that young and the Chiefs had the best QB in the league and would win all their games including the Super Bowl. Fun times.
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Great receivers can help elevate a QB. Bowe hasn't had a TD in 9 games. Gonzo had crap throwing to him for many games and was still able to consistently beat double and triple teams.
Good receivers can help elevate a QB.

But you have to have at least a mediocre ability to elevate.

Cassel and Palko can only strive for mediocrity.



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Exactly!

Bowe drops a lot of crucial balls.
Breaston has been pretty good.
Baldwin is still unknown. I've seen him "Almost" make some circus catches, but almost doesn't get you anywhere.
The Packer receivers lead the league in drops, according to stat posted elsewhere.
But no one realizes this, because Rodgers has been so spectacular that it masks that fact.

Rodgers had an off game against the Chiefs, and it is not solely because of the defense.

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Both McDaniels and Pioli felt Cassel was a franchise. Nobody has any idea if they still feel that way.

People keep talking about Pioli being too stubborn to move on from players, but where is the proof? He's parted ways pretty quickly with early draft picks like Magee. He hasn't forced coaches to keep free agent acquisitions that they didn't want - he must have brought in at least 8 WRs in 3 years.
Yeah, cause 3rd round picks and scrubs off the scrap heap are = to trading for a guy that you think is your franchise QB and signing him to a huge contract.

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Sorry, but I don't rate Cassel as high as "adequate." Or Thigpen. Or Huard. Trent Green was the last KC QB even in that range.

Looking back thru the Chiefs draft history back to 1960, the only QBs who's names I recognize are Brody Croyle and Steve Fuller. Fuller was a good backup for Jim McMahon on the Super Bowl Bears of the 80s. That's the absolute best they've ever done at drafting the QB position.

KC just doesn't have any history of being able to draft a QB at all. Yet now, that's exactly what you want to risk the team's next 4-5 years on...
Well, since this franchise has only drafted a first round QB a total of 4 times in it's history, they haven't actually shown that they can't draft QB.

And the only names you recognize are Fuller and Croyle?

Todd Blackledge?

Really?
Were you born yesterday?


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Made of weed? Seriously, Cassel had a magical season last year. If he had the o line and run game Green had, we'd of beat Baltimore last year in the playoffs.
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