Chiefs Peter King: Chiefs will listen to trade offers for Albert - Page 17

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-18-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Andy Dalton was the QB who beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. Kaepernick's last Nevada team was very good though, they were ranked most of the season. He passed for 3000/rushed for 1000.

But to be fair, if people knew how good Kaepernick was going to be... he wouldn't have went where he did. He did fall into a good place in SF though... he's surrounded by a ton of talent and they allowed him to run an offense he's used to.

People are applying revisionist history to Kaepernick. He was incredibly raw coming out and it was surprising he went as high as he did.

Saccopoo always loved him but that was absolutely not consensus, and he has a well-known bias towards college players in and around the Mormon belt.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-18-2013, 07:59 PM

It's the Chiefs. The worst thing always happens.

Direckshun · 03-18-2013, 08:03 PM

It was not surprising Kaepernick went in the 2nd round. He was a physical wonder that teams always fall in love with, but he came from that goofy ass offense in Nevada.

It was surprising that the 49ers took him, however, since nobody ever pegged Harbaugh as a fan of running QBs.

It was even more surprising that he'd be this good, this fast.

But him going in the 2nd wasn't terribly surprising.

I wonder who drafted him in the CP Mock...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-18-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

It was not surprising Kaepernick went in the 2nd round. He was a physical wonder that teams always fall in love with, but he came from that goofy ass offense in Nevada.

It was surprising that the 49ers took him, however, since nobody ever pegged Harbaugh as a fan of running QBs.

It was even more surprising that he'd be this good, this fast.

But him going in the 2nd wasn't terribly surprising.

I wonder who drafted him in the CP Mock...

Scott Wright had him as the #7 QB, behind Stanzi and Mallett
He wasn't in Mayock's top six
Walter had him at the sixth rated QB

Those are quick glances, easily findable on Google. He was largely thought of as a late second-early third rounder, not a high second.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-18-2013, 08:19 PM

From December 2011:

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I should repost the list of SB Linemen of the last three years.

Besides, here are the starters on OL for the last six SB teams:

LT: Jermon Bushrod, Charlie Johnson, Jonathan Scott, Chad Clifton, Max Starks, Mike Gandy
LG: Carl Nicks, Ryan Lilja, Chris Kemoatu (x2), Daryn College, Reggie Wells
C: Jonathan Goodwin, Jeff Saturday, Doug Legursky, Scott Wells, Justin Hartwig, Lyle Sendlein
RG: Jahri Evans, Kyle DeVan, Ramon Foster, Josh Sitton, Darnell Stapleton, Deuce Lutui
RT: John Stinchcomb, Ryan Diem, Flozell Adams, Brian Bulaga, Levi Brown, Willie Colon

Of those 29 players there are six Pro Bowlers:

Chad Clifton, Flozell Adams (who was a shell of himself at this point; it was his last year in the NFL), John Stinchcomb (played one more year after his SB appearance), Carl Nicks, Jahri Evans, Jeff Saturday

6/29, barely over 20%. If you count Kemoatu twice, then it's really 6/30, basically one PBer per line, and that assumes that guys like Adams and Stinchcomb were playing at a Pro Bowl level at that point in their career, and the truth was they were anything but.

tk13 · 03-18-2013, 08:21 PM

I think tackles are important. Probably more important than we act on here... because everyone is so QB focused. Willie Roaf took the Chiefs to another level offensively... it's an important position. There are plenty of instances of Super Bowl teams having 1st round LTs.

The catch is we already had two good tackles, and a 1st round LT.

keg in kc · 03-18-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

The catch is we already had two good tackles, and a 1st round LT.

That there's a good point.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-18-2013, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I think tackles are important. Probably more important than we act on here... because everyone is so QB focused. Willie Roaf took the Chiefs to another level offensively... it's an important position. There are plenty of instances of Super Bowl teams having 1st round LTs.

The catch is we already had two good tackles, and a 1st round LT.

Not nearly as often as there used to be.

In a league where DBs can't be physical with receivers, pass catchers get better, cleaner releases, which gets them open sooner, which obviates the need for several seconds of pass protection.

tk13 · 03-18-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Not nearly as often as there used to be.

In a league where DBs can't be physical with receivers, pass catchers get better, cleaner releases, which gets them open sooner, which obviates the need for several seconds of pass protection.

That's a fair point too. And to be fair, we're supposedly trying to run a WCO.

It just depends. The Ravens had former 1st round picks at each tackle position. It worked for them. But their passing offense was let's run downfield for a long time and have Flacco chuck it up it there.

Hootie · 03-18-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I think tackles are important. Probably more important than we act on here... because everyone is so QB focused. Willie Roaf took the Chiefs to another level offensively... it's an important position. There are plenty of instances of Super Bowl teams having 1st round LTs.

The catch is we already had two good tackles, and a 1st round LT.

Yeah I don't think our 2003 team would be as effective in today's NFL as it was then...

I'd still take a flyer on the #1 QB prospect at 1 when you need a QB rather than 10 guaranteed years of Willie Roaf. I don't think Joeckel even has Joe Thomas potential.

But if Joeckel turns into Joe Thomas and we take him I won't hold a forever grudge against him...it'll just make for a disappointing draft day 2013.

If we must take an OT I hope we can at least trade down to do so.

Hammock Parties · 03-18-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

Yeah I don't think our 2003 team would be as effective in today's NFL as it was then...

Why not?

I think the offense would be better, the defense would obviously be worse.

Hootie · 03-18-2013, 08:28 PM

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Why not?

I think the offense would be better, the defense would obviously be worse.

well this league has turned into a total passing league

Vermeil's offenses were always predicated by the run. Maybe they would still work. Meh what am I saying. They probably would still be badass.

at least half of that team was fun to watch

tk13 · 03-18-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

Yeah I don't think our 2003 team would be as effective in today's NFL as it was then...

I'd still take a flyer on the #1 QB prospect at 1 when you need a QB rather than 10 guaranteed years of Willie Roaf. I don't think Joeckel even has Joe Thomas potential.

But if Joeckel turns into Joe Thomas and we take him I won't hold a forever grudge against him...it'll just make for a disappointing draft day 2013.

If we must take an OT I hope we can at least trade down to do so.

Our 2003 offense would be dominant in any era, I think.

Doesn't mean they'd win a Super Bowl... but even though the league has entered another level of passing offense... the top rushing teams the last few years have still made the playoffs.

Hootie · 03-18-2013, 08:22 PM

I figured when he was tagged he would be traded.

Hopefully we get a 2nd and a 4th.

Honestly, whatever. Still hoping we can trade down even if we do trade Albert.

Bewbies · 03-18-2013, 08:24 PM

I'm sure this is Q but it should be noted that the last 2 players taken at #1 that were not QB's:
1. Saw their front offices and coaching staffs fired before the end of their first contract.
2. Signed 2nd contracts with a team that didn't draft them.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	It was not surprising Kaepernick went in the 2nd round. He was a physical wonder that teams always fall in love with, but he came from that goofy ass offense in Nevada. It was surprising that the 49ers took him, however, since nobody ever pegged Harbaugh as a fan of running QBs. It was even more surprising that he'd be this good, this fast. But him going in the 2nd wasn't terribly surprising. I wonder who drafted him in the CP Mock...
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03-18-2013, 08:21 PM	#6
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1877500	I think tackles are important. Probably more important than we act on here... because everyone is so QB focused. Willie Roaf took the Chiefs to another level offensively... it's an important position. There are plenty of instances of Super Bowl teams having 1st round LTs. The catch is we already had two good tackles, and a 1st round LT.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I figured when he was tagged he would be traded. Hopefully we get a 2nd and a 4th. Honestly, whatever. Still hoping we can trade down even if we do trade Albert.
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Bewbies Ith Fuhtbawl Time Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $9999900	I'm sure this is Q but it should be noted that the last 2 players taken at #1 that were not QB's: 1. Saw their front offices and coaching staffs fired before the end of their first contract. 2. Signed 2nd contracts with a team that didn't draft them.
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