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Old 08-13-2014, 01:37 PM  
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Teicher: No sign yet that Bowe will bounce back
ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs made their decision on Dwayne Bowe for better or for worse last year when they signed him to a lucrative, long-term contract.

They didn’t get their money’s worth from their No. 1 wide receiver last year, when he had the worst statistical full season of his career. Bowe failed to lead the Chiefs in receiving for the first time since they traded Tony Gonzalez after the 2008 season.

But in part because of Bowe’s big contract, the Chiefs were limited in their ability to pursue a receiver in free agency. The only wide receiver likely to make the regular-season roster who wasn’t with the Chiefs last season is rookie Albert Wilson, an undrafted free agent.

So their best chance to see dramatic improvement at the position may rest with Bowe. He had a tough day at practice on Wednesday, dropping a pair of passes and deflected another for an interception.

That’s hardly an indication that Bowe won’t rebound this season. But he hasn’t had a great camp and the Chiefs may be guilty of wishful thinking when it comes to their top wide receiver.

Bowe in September will turn 30, the age when the skills of many receivers start their decline. Could it be that process has already started with Bowe?

We’ll find out soon. Chiefs wide receivers coach David Culley said Bowe is in much better shape than he was last summer. Bowe said he’s in the best shape of his career.

“I know from last year, it’s completely different,’’ said Culley, who in his second season with the Chiefs. “Thirty is a mindset. There’s old 30s and there’s young 30s. Which 30 do you want to be? When he came back, he came back as a young 30 and that’s what you have to do to play in this league for a long time.’’

The Chiefs need Culley to be right. If he’s not, it would be obvious the Chiefs made the wrong decision last year on Bowe.

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Old 08-14-2014, 01:00 PM   #241
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At a glance, something is off with those stats, Sapho. Bowe had 15 TDs in 2010, not 17.
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:44 PM   #242
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Bowe's numbers went down because Smith doesn't throw to WRs. Not hard to see, the track record in San Francisco speaks to this as well. Bowe is the same player he always has been. Best WR the Chiefs have had since Otis Taylor.
No, not really. He was targeted four more times in 2013 than he was in 2012. People keep saying that but it isn't true.
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:10 PM   #243
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At a glance, something is off with those stats, Sapho. Bowe had 15 TDs in 2010, not 17.
Fixed!

Here are the numbers. You can see that he produces more when he gets downfield looks. That’s on Reid and Alex to make sure it’s happening. Otherwise, you are wasting your money.

2010

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37 catches 1-10 yds (362 yds, 5td)
25 catches 11-20 yds (532 yds, 5td)
7 catches 21-30 yds (219yds, 4td)
1 catch - 41+ yds (45yds, 1TD)

2011

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11 catches behind LOS
40 catches 1-10 yds (402 yds, 4 TD
24 catches - 11-20 yds (487 yds, 0TD)
4 catches - 21-30 yds (97 yds, 0TD)
1 catches - 31-40 yds (52yds, 0TD)
1 catches - 41+ (45 yards, 0TD)
2012

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6 catches behind LOS (60 yds, 0 TD)
35 catches 1-10 yads (329 yds, 1TD)
13 catches 11-20 yds (255yds, 0 TD)
5 catches 21-30 yds (157 yds, 2 TD)
2013

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38 catches 1-10 yds (357 yds, 4td)
15 catches 11-20 yds (279 yds, 1td)
1 catches 21-30 yds (26yds, 0td)
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:40 PM   #244
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Fixed!

Here are the numbers. You can see that he produces more when he gets downfield looks. That’s on Reid and Alex to make sure it’s happening. Otherwise, you are wasting your money.
But is it on Reid and Alex or is it on Bowe? Can he get down the field and get open or is he slow as shit? It's possible he is slowing down.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:59 PM   #245
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Here are the numbers. You can see that he produces more when he gets downfield looks.
Alex Smith has always thrown the ball down the field less than just about every other starter in the NFL.

Even less than Cassel.

Not surprising that Bowe's numbers are down.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:03 PM   #246
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Alex Smith has always thrown the ball down the field less than just about every other starter in the NFL.

Even less than Cassel.

Not surprising that Bowe's numbers are down.
You know Clay, if Bowe had ever been an actual down the field type receiver this would all make sense.

Fact is he has always been a catch a run type guy his whole career He isn't a deep threat nor has he ever been.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:06 PM   #247
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You know Clay, if Bowe had ever been an actual down the field type receiver this would all make sense.

Fact is he has always been a catch a run type guy his whole career He isn't a deep threat nor has he ever been.
Yes but his downfield production has still declined with Alex. Because Alex is Alex. That is kind of the point saphojunkie is making.

And we're not talking about bombs or being a deep threat, either.
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Yes but his downfield production has still declined with Alex. Because Alex is Alex. That is kind of the point saphojunkie is making.

And we're not talking about bombs or being a deep threat, either.
Not including last year he averages 6 catches a SEASON beyond 20 yards.

The majority of his catches before Smith are 1-10 yards according to those stats and those numbers didn't drop.

So what you are bent about is the 5 catches over 20 yards over the entire season he didn't make with Alex.

OMG!
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Not including last year he averages 6 catches a SEASON beyond 20 yards.

The majority of his catches before Smith are 1-10 yards according to those stats and those numbers didn't drop.

So what you are bent about is the 5 catches over 20 yards over the entire season he didn't make with Alex.

OMG!
But production in the 11-20 yard range declined, too.

Alex likes throws under 10 yards. Nice and safe.
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All of those passes are sectioned off where they are caught, not where they ended up.

For instance, Bowe catches a 7 yard slant and takes it 30 yards... that is filed under the 1-10 yard category.

He might be a catch and run guy, but he still caught significantly fewer passes ten yards or more beyond the LOS.

I like Alex Smith a lot, and I think he's entirely capable of leading this team on a deep playoff run. But I'm not going to say Count Zarth is trolling for saying Smith isn't throwing downfield when the numbers CLEARLY support it.

I think Reid and Smith would do well to make sure there are more downfield looks going to Bowe. The interesting question is why he's more successful down there. Is it because those passes ten to end up higher in the air, where he can use his size and strength more to his advantage over a smaller CB?
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But production in the 11-20 yard range declined, too.

Alex likes throws under 10 yards. Nice and safe.
Yea he is averse to throwing 11 yards. There is 50 yards difference between last year and 2012.

Look at those numbers and realize we are talking one or 2 throws a game difference.

Huge difference right. And Bowe dropped more balls last year than I ever remember.

BTW remember the Baltimore playoff game when Bowe had exactly 0 catches? How does that compare to Indy?

You are splitting hairs. Thats splitting a log.
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I think they just need to focus on the 11-20 yard range, where he averages about 20 YPC for his career.
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Yea he is averse to throwing 11 yards. There is 50 yards difference between last year and 2012.

Look at those numbers and realize we are talking one or 2 throws a game difference.

Huge difference right. And Bowe dropped more balls last year than I ever remember.

BTW remember the Baltimore playoff game when Bowe had exactly 0 catches? How does that compare to Indy?

You are splitting hairs. Thats splitting a log.
Those two catches a game are 40 yards of production, though. If it's not that big of a deal, then it should be easy to make sure to game plan them in.
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I think they just need to focus on the 11-20 yard range, where he averages about 20 YPC for his career.
Thats the area where you need to be able to fight for a ball and make a catch and he was very lazy last year going for the ball.

I have brought this up before.

He jumps up in the air when he shouldn't.(his entire career)

He tips too many balls into the air, last year anyway.

He lets defenders get in front of him getting position.

He stops on slant routes rather than running through them.


If you haven't seen this you haven't been watching the games.
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Those two catches a game are 40 yards of production, though. If it's not that big of a deal, then it should be easy to make sure to game plan them in.
I am talking 2 total. Not 2 in the 20+ range. Look at your numbers. And see my last post.
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