Chiefs Official: Chiefs name Eric Bieniemy new Offensive Coordinator - Page 17

Quesadilla Joe · 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Chiefs confirm the hiring. -->

We have named Eric Bieniemy Offensive Coordinator.

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— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) January 9, 2018

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prhom · 01-10-2018, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

How many years has it been since you were confident the Chiefs would get the first down on 3rd and 1?

This move doesn't do anything to fix the problems exposed in this offense the past 2-3 seasons.

Actually, I’m pretty sure the Chiefs ended the year number 1 in the NFL converting 3rd and 1 or less. I know it felt like our short yardage game sucked, but we were actually doing really well at it. The last stat I saw for it was during the Miami game where we were #1, converting 89% of 3rd and 1 or less attempts. They showed the stat as we attempted and converted another 3rd and 1 so it got a little better after that. Interesting and surprising, isn’t it?

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-10-2018, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles

What happened to those passes? They were all the rage for 3 weeks, then I never heard of them again. Did the league figure them out?

Yes, the league figured out the shovel passes, which is why they stopped trying them.

Eleazar · 01-10-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Exactly, Reid gain more power with the firing of Dorsey. Andy just didn't want the title this time. All the offensive coordinators on the payroll are now gone. Pederson went to Philly, Nagy to Chicago, Childress is retiring. Now Reid promotes a running backs coach who's never been an OC to do the footwork for Andy.

Andy Reid is essentially GM/HC/OC and QB coach now.

Andy Reid can run the Chiefs Organization like his own personal Madden franchise.

Only a matter of time before Mahomes pays the price for Andy Reid's shitty playcalling.

This is what CHunt chose to do with the Chiefs. He fell in love with Reid and sided with Reid in his little power struggle with Dorsey, now we in essence have Reid given full control of everything... even after producing basically nothing in the postseason given 5 tries.

Obviously, ownership is very comfortable with the results Reid has delivered so far and where the franchise is at right now.

DRM08 · 01-10-2018, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Exactly, Reid gain more power with the firing of Dorsey. Andy just didn't want the title this time. All the offensive coordinators on the payroll are now gone. Pederson went to Philly, Nagy to Chicago, Childress is retiring. Now Reid promotes a running backs coach who's never been an OC to do the footwork for Andy.

Andy Reid is essentially GM/HC/OC and QB coach now.

Andy Reid can run the Chiefs Organization like his own personal Madden franchise.

Only a matter of time before Mahomes pays the price for Andy Reid's shitty playcalling.

It’s a good thing Pat’s biggest strength is improvisation when the play breaks down. Hopefully it will overcome Andy’s issues.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-10-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

Obviously, ownership is very comfortable with the results Reid has delivered so far and where the franchise is at right now.

Considering the state of the franchise from 1998 to 2012 (and 1971-1988), the ownership has every right to feel comfortable with their current trajectory.

Sassy Squatch · 01-10-2018, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

This is what CHunt chose to do with the Chiefs. He fell in love with Reid and sided with Reid in his little power struggle with Dorsey, now we in essence have Reid given full control of everything... even after producing basically nothing in the postseason given 5 tries.

Obviously, ownership is very comfortable with the results Reid has delivered so far and where the franchise is at right now.

Clark Hunt wouldn't go to the locker room after the embarrassment. I think its safe to say he's pretty pissed.

**ptlyon** · 01-10-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Clark Hunt wouldn't go to the locker room after the embarrassment. I think its safe to say he's pretty pissed.

I'm sure he just had to hit the can or something

**Iowanian** · 01-10-2018, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by prhom

Actually, I’m pretty sure the Chiefs ended the year number 1 in the NFL converting 3rd and 1 or less. I know it felt like our short yardage game sucked, but we were actually doing really well at it. The last stat I saw for it was during the Miami game where we were #1, converting 89% of 3rd and 1 or less attempts. They showed the stat as we attempted and converted another 3rd and 1 so it got a little better after that. Interesting and surprising, isn’t it?

That would just be baffling if it's true because it sure seems like this team just hasn't had the ability to line up and smash the ball forward on 3rd and short or the goal line.

I've been wondering what the rushing comparisons were when Morris was in/out. He was hurt early in the year and Hunt was running beast fuel, then he came back and team/rushing results tanked, then he was hurt again....I think offensive line is probably more to blame as the inside three have been sketchy imo.

I'm so "meh" about this hiring for OC....He's a Reid puppet and I just can't fathom that this move gets the offense away from the turtle-up effect to protect a lead, or inability to score when they HAVE to do so to win.

I'll believe it when I see it.

redfan · 01-10-2018, 12:54 PM

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Mecca · 01-10-2018, 12:59 PM

In order for Mahomes to overcome Andy's playcalling you gotta hope he has some Favre in him in what I mean by that is the desire to go "**** it this call sucks" and change it. He apparently did it to Childress all the time.

prhom · 01-10-2018, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

That would just be baffling if it's true because it sure seems like this team just hasn't had the ability to line up and smash the ball forward on 3rd and short or the goal line.

I've been wondering what the rushing comparisons were when Morris was in/out. He was hurt early in the year and Hunt was running beast fuel, then he came back and team/rushing results tanked, then he was hurt again....I think offensive line is probably more to blame as the inside three have been sketchy imo.

I'm so "meh" about this hiring for OC....He's a Reid puppet and I just can't fathom that this move gets the offense away from the turtle-up effect to protect a lead, or inability to score when they HAVE to do so to win.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I’m an idiot and don’t know how to link things on here but there’s an article on Rams Wire by USA Today comparing how bad the Rams were to KC (still best at the time at 92.9%). That was at the end of November. Washington post has a stats section that you can filter %1st conversion by run on 3rd and <3 yds. Hunt was #2 at 90% success after Freeman who had 92.9% on the season. That’s a little different than team success on 3rd and 1, but the takeaway is that we were actually really good converting 3rd downs in short yardage and that applies to both rushing and passing.

I know it’s odd, but that’s what the numbers show.

Marcellus · 01-10-2018, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hitchief

Hope he works out and will be rooting for him but is there any evidence he can game plan or call plays?

Its not that simple to dissect an opponent and come up with a game plan to maximize the players you have to take advantage and then call the correct plays and the correct time.

Just don't want a huge learning curve but maybe he's shown Andy something in meetings?

prhom · 01-10-2018, 01:13 PM

Some other interesting and totally unrelated stats I saw while looking for the source on these 3rd down numbers is that the Patriots lead the league with 50 first downs granted by penalty on opposing teams. KC got 29 that way.

KC’s defense also allowed the most first downs to opposing offenses in the league at 352, almost 100 more than the best defense (Jags) who only allowed 257 first downs.

I should post that last one in the Fire Sutton thread.

WhiteWhale · 01-10-2018, 01:20 PM

I have two problems with this.

1. Bienemy is good at his job as RB's coach. He's gotten guys to play over their ability IMO. Now we are out a high quality RB coach. He wont' be doing that anymore.

2. In the modern NFL, hiring an offensive coordinator with very little if ANY experience working in the passing game is not a good idea.

WhiteWhale · 01-10-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

This is what CHunt chose to do with the Chiefs. He fell in love with Reid and sided with Reid in his little power struggle with Dorsey, now we in essence have Reid given full control of everything... even after producing basically nothing in the postseason given 5 tries.

Obviously, ownership is very comfortable with the results Reid has delivered so far and where the franchise is at right now.

What power struggle?

Goddamn, you have just assumed a narrative sans any evidence and present it as undisputed truth.

If Dorsey had a power struggle with anyone, it was with Clark.

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prhom Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Denver Casino cash: $7406013	Some other interesting and totally unrelated stats I saw while looking for the source on these 3rd down numbers is that the Patriots lead the league with 50 first downs granted by penalty on opposing teams. KC got 29 that way. KC’s defense also allowed the most first downs to opposing offenses in the league at 352, almost 100 more than the best defense (Jags) who only allowed 257 first downs. I should post that last one in the Fire Sutton thread.
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WhiteWhale Bring it on Ahab! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Doo-Dah Casino cash: $10015152	I have two problems with this. 1. Bienemy is good at his job as RB's coach. He's gotten guys to play over their ability IMO. Now we are out a high quality RB coach. He wont' be doing that anymore. 2. In the modern NFL, hiring an offensive coordinator with very little if ANY experience working in the passing game is not a good idea.
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