**** you, Dee Ford

[Dr. Yu Weed Tard]

Sack of ****ing shit.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, yeah, you're for sure gonna have more immediate impact with a current player, unless something unforeseen happens.

But it also wouldn't have been straight across. You'd have had more money to play with to bring in another pass rusher or something (although not as good of a player as Clark, likely).

Lol what pass rushers were still available around that time? Oh that’s right nobody.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol what pass rushers were still available around that time? Oh that’s right nobody.

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

He obviously wouldn’t have costed draft picks, but Trey Flowers got elite pass rusher money and he’s not elite. He’s a good solid player that the Pats probably made look a lot better than he actually is, hence why they didn’t even attempt a tag & trade. We added his DL coach, so I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt since they chose not to go in that direction. Overpaying an overachiever from the Pats is an awful idea. We know how that usually plays out.

And Ansah?

That’s exactly what this defense needed. Replace a brokedick with... an older brokedick!

Just stop dude.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He obviously wouldn’t have costed draft picks, but Trey Flowers got elite pass rusher money and he’s not elite. He’s a good solid player that the Pats probably made look a lot better than he actually is, hence why they didn’t even attempt a tag & trade. We added his DL coach, so I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt since they chose not to go in that direction. Overpaying an overachiever from the Pats is an awful idea. We know how that usually plays out.

And Ansah?

That’s exactly what this defense needed. Replace a brokedick with... an older brokedick!

Just stop dude.

It's just another way to go about it. Doesn't make it right or wrong. Bill went that way with adding an aging Michael Bennett and some other pieces etc.

Again, I'm not sure why we can't have any discussions about other ways in which they could have went about adding a pass rusher.

With what they paid for Clark, there were other ways they could have went to potentially add a few other additional role type players. That's obviously not the way they went with it, but ti doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's just another way to go about it. Doesn't make it right or wrong. Bill went that way with adding an aging Michael Bennett and some other pieces etc.

Again, I'm not sure why we can't have any discussions about other ways in which they could have went about adding a pass rusher.

With what they paid for Clark, there were other ways they could have went to potentially add a few other additional role type players. That's obviously not the way they went with it, but ti doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

I’m not necessarily saying it’s wrong either, but you’re kidding yourself if you think we’re better today going in that direction and making any of these moves you’re talking about. Maybe in 2-4 years, but not immediately. Clark’s impact is going to be HUGE.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

We’re trying to win a Super Bowl. We don’t need to start making moves like this until Pat makes big money in 2021.

I agree with your strategy for future value, but not right now.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m not necessarily saying it’s wrong either, but you’re kidding yourself if you think we’re better today going in that direction and making any of these moves you’re talking about. Maybe in 2-4 years, but not immediately. Clark’s impact is going to be HUGE.

Hopefully so. They def need it.

[MMXcalibur]

Those 20 seconds before the penalty was called on Dee Ford was the happiest time I've ever had as a Chiefs fan.

For those 20 seconds, the Super Bowl was a reality. After the call, I fell to my knees and yelled because I knew exactly what was going to happen next.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We’re trying to win a Super Bowl. We don’t need to start making moves like this until Pat makes big money in 2021.

I agree with your strategy for future value, but not right now.

Don't disagree.

It's just hard to win SB's. Give yourself as many chances as you can.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We’re trying to win a Super Bowl. We don’t need to start making moves like this until Pat makes big money in 2021.

I agree with your strategy for future value, but not right now.

When did Noah build the ark?

Before the rain.

The Chiefs can't just seamlessly add a salary like the one Mahomes is going to get soon. They absolutely need to be making moves that are with an eye on 2021 and they need to have been doing it yesterday.

I think they have been and I think that's part of why this Jones deal isn't done just yet. I almost wonder if they weren't resigned to not paying Hill when they made the Clark trade and now they're kinda stuck in between plans.

If they want to keep this crew largely intact for another couple of seasons, they need to be planning every step of the way how to build as much rollover as possible. That means moving on from Williams and getting comfortable with Jack Fox. It means that if Hyde is clearly outplayed by Darrell Williams, you just bite the bullet and recover what cap space you can recover, sunk cash be damned.

You go with Hamilton, Fox and Darrell Williams instead of Williams, Colquitt and Hyde and you've found about $6 million in rollover for next season AND cleared the potential dead money that would otherwise carry over to next year off Colquitt's deal.

I don't think you can ever be too early on planning for this stuff.

[O.city]

From the sounds of it, Fox just isn't ready to take over at Punter.

Now, with this offense, i'd be thinking about just doing it and taking a little setback there, but they won't. By Williams, do you mean Damien or?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

From the sounds of it, Fox just isn't ready to take over at Punter.

Now, with this offense, i'd be thinking about just doing it and taking a little setback there, but they won't. By Williams, do you mean Damien or?

Xavier. Didn't make that terribly clear.

The team is a little worse (maybe) with Fox/Darrell Williams/Justin Hamilton than it is with Colquitt/Hyde/Xavier Williams - but that's also a tick over $6.5 million in cap rollover that they'll have for 2020.

And I understand that Colquitt is revered but man, this just isn't the team it's been for the last 30 damn years. Punter is pretty much the last thing I give a shit about at this point. The greatest value he has, IMO, is as a holder. And in fairness, he's damn good at that and maybe that's worth the extra $20 million he'd cost over Fox on a minimum contract. Though if Fox is just a damn mess that's largely moot. I'd be a little surprised if that were the case.

Gonna be tough to get Mahomes, Hill and Jones into this cap and keep a solid team everywhere. If moving on from a punter helps get that done, I just don't have a problem with it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Xavier. Didn't make that terribly clear.

The team is a little worse (maybe) with Fox/Darrell Williams/Justin Hamilton than it is with Colquitt/Hyde/Xavier Williams - but that's also a tick over $6.5 million in cap rollover that they'll have for 2020.

And I understand that Colquitt is revered but man, this just isn't the team it's been for the last 30 damn years. Punter is pretty much the last thing I give a shit about at this point. The greatest value he has, IMO, is as a holder. And in fairness, he's damn good at that and maybe that's worth the extra $20 million he'd cost over Fox on a minimum contract. Though if Fox is just a damn mess that's largely moot. I'd be a little surprised if that were the case.

Gonna be tough to get Mahomes, Hill and Jones into this cap and keep a solid team everywhere. If moving on from a punter helps get that done, I just don't have a problem with it.

Maybe, just not sure if they'll chance it. They place a high priority on ST's, which maybe it's time not to in terms of a punter.

I'd be fine with Williams and Hyde. There's probably a few other area's you could make it cheaper at as well.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe, just not sure if they'll chance it. They place a high priority on ST's, which maybe it's time not to in terms of a punter.

I'd be fine with Williams and Hyde. There's probably a few other area's you could make it cheaper at as well.

Not many.

Dirty Dan, but they don't really have a ready replacement for him. Ward and Lucas aren't as rugged, Thornhill and Mathieu are otherwise engaged.

It's tough to find many/any 7 figure cuts after that group. Most of the rest of them are cheap enough that their replacements won't cost much less. Demarcus Robinson would save about $2 million ($1.4 million after paying his replacement) but I'd rather keep him at that price point. Lucas would be about the same, Ragland even less after paying his replacement (only about $750K in savings). There's not a ton of fat on this cap right now.

If you cut Colquitt, X Williams, Hyde AND Sorensen you'd end up adding north of $10 million to next year's cap when you account for rollover and absorbing some dead money in 2019. You'd take a $30+ million cap credit into 2020 absent extensions that eat into it. It's not nothing.

[O.city]

I'd keep Dan. I think he's a great 3rd safety. Little expensive sure, but still.