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Old 04-23-2021, 01:00 PM  
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Old 01-13-2022, 10:59 AM   #2536
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If "he'll live" with the tag, why not just negotiate a contract at the same rate? By definition, tagging a player means forcing them to do something they don't want to do. I think Matthieu deserves better than that.
His play on the field may deserve better but his emotional immaturity, especially on twitter, says he doesn't deserve better.
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Old 01-13-2022, 11:01 AM   #2537
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I mean, we already made him the highest paid safety in the league when we got him, or so I thought. He's since won (fingers crossed) 2 chips and been there 3 times in a row. His play has gone down from last year too. One would hope that there's room for negotiation and to help the team out.

That said if it comes between losing him, losing Tyreek or our 25 yr old LT well..... that's not really a choice. He is heart and soul of this defense it makes sense for both parties to work something out.
Agreed. He does play a huge role on the defense, but at his age and position he is easily more expendable than a young solid LT and a WR on a HOF trajectory who's just hitting his prime.
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Old 01-13-2022, 11:02 AM   #2538
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They aren’t going to lowball him and get him to sign. Pay the man and don’t worry about LT for the next 5-6 years.
This. They could probably get him for 5/100...which isn't terrible all things considered.
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Old 01-13-2022, 11:06 AM   #2539
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This. They could probably get him for 5/100...which isn't terrible all things considered.
LT is one of the most important positions on the offense. That's a position you have to pay big money to if you have a good one. Where KC typically drafts they won't get better through the draft unless they get lucky. They can't afford to go cheap on that position.
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Old 01-13-2022, 11:11 AM   #2540
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I think you tag him because you're in a cap crunch next year and then pay him.

He's not as good as the Top 5, there, but that's the money he'll command anyway. He's good enough and if you give Mahomes decent enough protection you're set. He does that.
Tagging him doesn't make the cap crunch easier - it makes it worse.

A long-term deal makes next season's number more palatable, probably at the EXPENSE of the 2023 cap. But that at least buys you another year for additional cap expansion and roster planning to make it all fit.

The cap provides MORE incentive to get a LTC done with him, not less. Moreover, if you can't get a deal done with Tyreek this year, you'll want that franchise leverage available to use in negotiations with him. And Brown would absolutely realize that you're going to tag Hill over him so you won't be able to bluff him either.

If you want him long term, doing it now is a no-brainer.
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Old 01-13-2022, 11:32 AM   #2541
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Finally some people making sense. The only way a franchise tag works is to give us more time to sign him long term. 5/100 sounds like a steal to me to lock down Pat's most important protection piece.
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Old 01-13-2022, 11:48 AM   #2542
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If Spags is here we need to keep Matthieu.

Clark is the one that is expendable.
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Old 01-13-2022, 12:18 PM   #2543
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Mathieu is fine either way for me. I'd like to keep him, but if they think theres a cliff coming physically, whatevs.

You can't let your LT walk.
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Old 01-13-2022, 12:25 PM   #2544
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Mathieu is fine either way for me. I'd like to keep him, but if they think theres a cliff coming physically, whatevs.

You can't let your LT walk.
HB can stay if he wants to sign a reasonable deal. But if he will only accept top safety money, then **** him. Walk away
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Old 01-13-2022, 12:35 PM   #2545
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If Spags is here we need to keep Matthieu.

Clark is the one that is expendable.
We do need to retain him, just not at the expense of Brown Jr. or Hill.
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Old 01-14-2022, 09:39 AM   #2546
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Gotta look at opportunity for replacement. LT is right there with Pass rusher and right behind QB in terms of finding one. Especially where the Chiefs will be drafting.

So yeah, I think you gotta do what you gotta do here.
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Old 01-14-2022, 09:43 AM   #2547
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I still see him as more of an RT that can play LT than an LT. Obviously he wants to play LT for the bigger money, all Tackles do. He'll always have a little trouble with speed rushers. He does ok, but it's not what he's Elite at and if we want anything from our long term LT, it's great pass pro.
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Gotta look at opportunity for replacement. LT is right there with Pass rusher and right behind QB in terms of finding one. Especially where the Chiefs will be drafting.

So yeah, I think you gotta do what you gotta do here.
I think pass rushers are easier to find than LT’s.

QB is the hardest to find but I’d say a quality LT is 2nd. There just aren’t that many men with a huge body frame and athleticism walking around the earth
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I think pass rushers are easier to find than LT’s.

QB is the hardest to find but I’d say a quality LT is 2nd. There just aren’t that many men with a huge body frame and athleticism walking around the earth
Once you get past about pick 15 or so, QB's, LT's and Pass Rushers are basically a dice roll.

You may find one, but it's likely they're gonna need some polishing and luck.
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I think pass rushers are easier to find than LT’s.

QB is the hardest to find but I’d say a quality LT is 2nd. There just aren’t that many men with a huge body frame and athleticism walking around the earth
This.

There should be a handful of pass rushers available within our range, whereas there might be one LT.
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