***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Eh, yeah actually it is gone forever after the money runs from the last round of funds approved last week. Mnuchin said there won't be any more rounds of PPP/EIDL.

They just opened up for new applications again on Monday, didn't they?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Any more aid to any businesses is a sunk cost fallacy without massive regulatory changes at this point.

As a taxpayer, I have no interest in propping up any business that cannot guarantee of paying back any fund transfers in a definitive period of time.

Typically I would agree except they are paying you back by staying in business and not laying people off. It isn't like we are keeping a failing business open because they can't get customers and we just like the owner.

This is about keeping businesses, most viable, who are being forced into an unsustainable state or less than viable state by the local government.

So you can pay to help these businesses through this or you can pay a ton in unemployment benefits and deal with an even shitier economy.

[ToxSocks]

WTF did i stumble upon.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They just opened up for new applications again on Monday, didn't they?

And they had over 700,000 small business apply for loans and those loans will get them through about 2 weeks at best. And yes, the money is gone.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They just opened up for new applications again on Monday, didn't they?

Sure they did, but there's nowhere near the amount of money available for those applications.

[petegz28]

And just so some are clear a lot of the deferrals by banks for loans are not being tacked onto the end of the loans. They are being deferred for 3 months with the expectation that at month 4 not only do you owe the payment for month 4 but also for months 1-3.

So again, you put people out of work and then expect them to come up with a shit ton of money. We are going to see an economic impact like we have never seen if we are not careful.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And they had over 700,000 small business apply for loans and those loans will get them through about 2 weeks at best. And yes, the money is gone.

After the second round of stimulus, yes. But you're acting like no small business had any access to funds or a six month forbearance for other types of small business loans.

So let's break our options down:

Option A): Everything stays closed indefinitely
Option B): Everything opens up without restriction
Option C): Things open up gradually and businesses are offered protection/forgiveness for a portion of their costs

You're acting like Option C isn't there, pete. It is. There have been issues with disbursement, but it's not like every single small business was told to get ****ed, either.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

WTF did i stumble upon.

I think it's this guy after he shaved and washed his hair.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

WTF did i stumble upon.

This is no way to promote your band sir.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

This is no way to promote your band sir.

Actually my bet is its eDave.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

After the second round of stimulus, yes. But you're acting like no small business had any access to funds or a six month forbearance for other types of small business loans.

So let's break our options down:

Option A): Everything stays closed indefinitely
Option B): Everything opens up without restriction
Option C): Things open up gradually and businesses are offered protection/forgiveness for a portion of their costs

You're acting like Option C isn't there, pete. It is. There have been issues with disbursement, but it's not like every single small business was told to get ****ed, either.

No, Hamas...I am saying you need things like option C and they are not being offered up. If they are show me where.

Again, you are not reading what I said at all.

In fact you just made my ****ing point and don't even get it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No, Hamas...I am saying you need things like option C and they are not being offered up. If they are show me where.

Again, you are not reading what I said at all.

The entire point of PPP and the SBA forbearance programs was to ensure that small businesses had aid available to them. Those PPP loans can be used, in part, to offset costs for utilities and rent. Forbearance programs allowed up to six months paid interest and principal on their loans. Wouldn't that classify as aid to a business that is running at less than normal capacity/revenue due to distancing requirements?

How can 700,000 businesses apply for options that don't exist? Is covering a loan for six months itself not a form of aid?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The entire point of PPP and the SBA forbearance programs was to ensure that small businesses had aid available to them. Those PPP loans can be used, in part, to offset costs for utilities and rent. Forbearance programs allowed up to six months paid interest and principal on their loans. Wouldn't that classify as aid to a business that is running at less than normal capacity/revenue due to distancing requirements?

How can 700,000 businesses apply for options that don't exist? Is covering a loan for six months itself not a form of aid?

JFC, Hamas....that money is gone. Got it? Gone. That was to get them through the last month in which we had to do it twice. We have already been over this. You have had no less than 2 people already explain it to you.

No one said they didn't exist. READ! You are not ****ing reading a god damn thing.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

JFC, Hamas....that money is gone. Got it? Gone. That was to get them through the last month in which we had to do it twice. We have already been over this. You have had no less than 2 people already explain it to you.

No one said they didn't exist. READ! You are not ****ing reading a god damn thing.

Pete,

The loans were opened back up on Monday. People applied for those loans. That money is going to be disbursed within two weeks. After that the money is gone, but it doesn't mean that aid was not disbursed. Why is that so hard to understand?


Is aid that was disbursed on the first round not aid? Is aid that is going to be disbursed in a few weeks not aid?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Pete,

The loans were opened back up on Monday. People applied for those loans. That money is going to be disbursed within two weeks. After that the money is gone, but it doesn't mean that aid was not disbursed. Why is that so hard to understand?


Is aid that was disbursed on the first round not aid? Is aid that is going to be disbursed in a few weeks not aid?

Hamas, listen to me for the 3rd time.....that money was gone as soon as it was offered and as Discuss already tried to tell you there wasn't near enough money to begin with. It's obvious you have no ****ing idea of what you're talking about here.

And while Mnuchin is saying no more my Wife just informed me the banks are starting to press already for round 3 because their customers are not going to make it.