***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Costco is moving to mandatory facemasks as of 5/4. It'll be interesting to see if that becomes a widespread policy.

https://www.costco.com/covid-updates.html

Wearing a facemask has been mandatory here at all essential businesses for about three weeks now... it is actually a pain in the ass.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Eh, yeah actually it is gone forever after the money runs from the last round of funds approved last week. Mnuchin said there won't be any more rounds of PPP/EIDL.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They just opened up for new applications again on Monday, didn't they?

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Sure they did, but there's nowhere near the amount of money available for those applications.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Pete,

The loans were opened back up on Monday. People applied for those loans. That money is going to be disbursed within two weeks. After that the money is gone, but it doesn't mean that aid was not disbursed. Why is that so hard to understand?


Is aid that was disbursed on the first round not aid? Is aid that is going to be disbursed in a few weeks not aid?

.

I'm done. Have your last word....

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Wearing a facemask has been mandatory here at all essential businesses for about three weeks now... it is actually a pain in the ass.

My co-worker's GF is out of a job right now but she's been making masks at home for her relatives and friends. I know the owner of a local liquor store and showed him this mask i was wearing that i bought off her. He's ordered 70 masks or so off her (through me) and he's been able to sell them rather quickly.

It's turned into a nice side gig for her while she's out of a job.

[petegz28]

My Wife has heard from several today that they indeed are pushing for a 3rd round of lending. If the don't get it not only will you have a shitload of small businesses fail you're going to have a shitload of small banks in trouble because they are going to eat those loans.


Dominos, mother ****er!!!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Hamas, listen to me for the 3rd time.....that money was gone as soon as it was offered and as Discuss already tried to tell you there wasn't near enough money to begin with. It's obvious you have no ****ing idea of what you're talking about here.

And while Mnuchin is saying no more my Wife just informed me the banks are starting to press already for round 3 because their customers are not going to make it.

pete,

You never listen. Just listen. This is why you end up getting in arguments with six people at once.

1) the PPP requirements cover 8 weeks of payroll for approved businesses plus another 25% That's not one month, like you claim.

2) Do you deny that money has been disbursed from the PPP? If it has been disbursed to businesses, then aid has been provided. Do you deny that money has been given to businesses? If the money is gone it had to go somewhere, didn't it?

3) Do you deny that businesses have been offered forbearance for other types of SBA loans?

If you order 12 widgets and get 8, you may not have gotten enough, but it doesn't mean you didn't get anything, either. You keep saying that aid wasn't provided. It was. It wasn't enough for everyone, but it was provided.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

After the second round of stimulus, yes. But you're acting like no small business had any access to funds or a six month forbearance for other types of small business loans.

So let's break our options down:

Option A): Everything stays closed indefinitely
Option B): Everything opens up without restriction
Option C): Things open up gradually and businesses are offered protection/forgiveness for a portion of their costs

You're acting like Option C isn't there, pete. It is. There have been issues with disbursement, but it's not like every single small business was told to get ****ed, either.

Small businesses basically have the choice of burdening themselves with debt they have no certainty they can pay back or shutting down.


PPP is the path of least resistance in trying to save 50+ unemployment systems from claimants overloading their systems and coffers; it's not an effort to 'save' small businesses themselves.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

pete,

You never listen. Just listen. This is why you end up getting in arguments with six people at once.

1) the PPP requirements cover 8 weeks of payroll for approved businesses plus another 25% That's not one month, like you claim.

2) Do you deny that money has been disbursed from the PPP? If it has been disbursed to businesses, then aid has been provided. Do you deny that money has been given to businesses? If the money is gone it had to go somewhere, didn't it?

3) Do you deny that businesses have been offered forbearance for other types of SBA loans?

If you order 12 widgets and get 8, you may not have gotten enough, but it doesn't mean you didn't get anything, either. You keep saying that aid wasn't provided. It was. It wasn't enough for everyone, but it was provided.

Yo haven't read a ****ing word Discuss nor I have told you. Whatever, bro.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Small businesses basically have the choice of burdening themselves with debt they have no certainty they can pay back or shutting down.


PPP is the path of least resistance in trying to save 50+ unemployment systems from claimants and not an effort to 'save' small businesses themselves.

What he said.....

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Small businesses basically have the choice of burdening themselves with debt they have no certainty they can pay back or shutting down.


PPP is the path of least resistance in trying to save 50+ unemployment systems from claimants overloading their systems and coffers; it's not an effort to 'save' small businesses themselves.

Are the loans not forgivable if requirements are met?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Are the loans not forgivable if requirements are met?

Loans are only forgivable of the money is used for payrolls. And again, there wasn't enough money to go around the 1st time let alone the 2nd. There were businesses that didn't get money the first time around that were still in the pipeline when the 2nd traunch came around. And there wasn't enough money then either.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Are the loans not forgivable if requirements are met?

PPP under conditions if those conditions are deemed to have been met by either the lender or the SBA. But if <75% of PPP funds go to payroll then it's probably not forgivable.

EIDL you get $10,000 advance out of a $25,000 uncollateralized loan that wouldn't need to be repaid. Beyond $25,000 requires collateral.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Actually my bet is its eDave.

LOL. I'm more of a Barry Manilow kind of guy.

Whoever mentioned a boom in food trucks is correct.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Loans are only forgivable of the money is used for payrolls. And again, there wasn't enough money to go around the 1st time let alone the 2nd. There were businesses that didn't get money the first time around that were still in the pipeline when the 2nd traunch came around. And there wasn't enough money then either.

That's not true. 25 percent of the loan can be used for non-payroll. If you're going to be this much of a dick about this you should at least know the basic terms of the program.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's not true. 25 percent of the loan can be used for non-payroll. If you're going to be this much of a dick about this you should at least know the basic terms of the program.

excuse most of the money. And you didn't even know this until someone just told you,

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

LOL. I'm more of a Barry Manilow kind of guy.



Whoever mentioned a boom in food trucks is correct.

What's wrong with Barey Manilow?

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