***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Jobs are lost forever... Seriously, you think we can keep printing stimulus money... We flattened the curve way better than the models showed, we were told hospitals would be overrun and folks would die without ventilators... We did it. Now we move forward with policy that protects the most vulnerable, per the guidelines. However, some states are deciding to stay shut down. California is closing all their beaches starting May 1st. Does this make sense? Is the public going to be more responsible and follow social distancing if the guidelines are sensible or non-sensible.

These are not yes or no answers and definitely not easy decisions when it comes to deaths vs jobs there is no easy answers , you want to find a balance which might take time to figure that out.

The effects of this pandemic have been unpredictable, it affects people , regions, demographic, countries in ways that make it hard to find just 1 plan of action.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I've heard zero from my buddy at Mayo since then.

What was this in response to?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Buy a year of staying in business.

This first and foremost gives the public more trust because by then we will either 1) have a strategy in place to target the most likely to suffer severe consequnces from the infection 2) treatment to atleast limit the fatalities and infections 3) a vaccine.

Any of those scenario provides more confidence into the consumer. Other ways the idea of the economy opening and coming back is pure fantasy. Without that you can kiss the small businesses goodbye. They need a prolonged bailout.

I don’t think that’s economically feasible

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Who knows. Several members and a few mods have called his dangerous bullshit out yet when I do it 1 mod continues to warn both of us and then Pete goes the personal attack route called out by a few posters. Shit is jokes. Non political thread then links some shit to Glenn Beck lol

Dangerous bullshit? It's a ****ing internet message board you little cuss.....

Dangerous bullshit

[Mecca]

Linking to Glenn Beck is pretty close to using Alex Jones these days.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

I don’t think that’s economically feasible

That's putting it nicely

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Linking to Glenn Beck is pretty close to using Alex Jones these days.

You know it's funny how the people who actually watched the video such as Hamas and Monticore and some others aren't making any kind of political argument over it. They actually addressed the substance of the video.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Linking to Glenn Beck is pretty close to using Alex Jones these days.

Keep the politics out please.... This wasn't a political video if you watch it.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by TinyEvel

Mayor Garcetti of los Angeles was just on TV saying the biggest dangers are people who have the Covid but show no symptoms and go into the general population as "Super Spreaders"


Trust me, "Super Spreaders" is not a DVD you want to rent in certain parts of Los Angeles. Looking at you, Koreatown.

Ummm, I’m not going to search this later. At all.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Keep the politics out please.... This wasn't a political video if you watch it.

The host was trying to steer it in a specific direction but overall I didn't see it as political, I had no idea who this host was before watching the video.

[petegz28]

With KC's reopening plan, restaurants say they can't survive on 10% capacity

KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
As Kansas City announces its plan to reopen, some businesses say the plan does not work for them. Restaurants say they can't survive on 10% capacity.

At Jasper's Italian Restaurant, there are more than 45 employees. A lot of them depend on tips for their income. When you limit capacity in a business that depends on peak times, the owner said it is not a viable business model.

"They are taking my right away to make a living, anyway you look at it," said owner Jasper Mirabile.

He said he believes customers should have options.

"If they want to stay home, then stay home and self-isolate. That's fine. But you're taking business away from our economy in Kansas City, while surrounding cities, they're making a living," Mirabile said.

In a dining area that seats 249, Jasper's Italian Restaurant said 10% capacity is not doable.

"Twenty-five people in the restaurant?" Mirabile said.

He said his phone has been busy all day from other restaurant owners calling with the same concerns.

"If the President and the Governor are telling us to go back to work, then why is the mayor restricting us?" Mirabile said.

He said the restaurant can get by with 50% capacity, and they are all for safety precautions.

"Wearing masks and gloves, I'll do everything they tell me to do. We're not fighting that," Mirabile said.

Jasper's has been in business 66 years. The restaurant and market closed March 16. Mirabile said he feels it's time to reopen.

"I have a lot of respect for the mayor and for the Health Department and for what they have been doing up until this point. But now, to get the results and what they want us to do, there's no way in the world anyone can do this," Mirabile said.

The city said that starting May 6, anyone who spends more than 10 minutes inside a nonessential business will be required to leave their contact information.

https://www.kmbc.com/article/her-pro...-home/32328531

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
This virus has been here since November at least if not October. Would you really be surprised after almost 6 months if 100,000 people in Ohio had it?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the ****ing media.

Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
We are jumping off the ledge. Closing schools for months. Shutting down all restaurants and bars. Canceling all sports.

It is just starting to feel like people are panicking for the sake of panicking. I mean in WA most and I mean almost all of the deaths are from a nursing home or nursing homes. So you shut down schools for 2 months?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Meanwhile, no one anywhere else in the world is having the problems Italy is having. Why is that?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
I have been hearing "we are headed to being like Italy" for the last week. I am starting to doubt that more and more. Hopefully the people saying this are very wrong.

Originally Posted by Titty Meat View Post
It's just the cold. People are dying the health care system could collapse and the market is tanking. It's just hysteria! Everything is fine.
It is hysteria you ****ing twat. Evidenced not by the lack of orange juice, vitamins or Airborne but the lack of ****ing toilet paper.

And you are the kind people that are driving it like it's some kind of ****ing movie or episode of the Walking Dead.

No one said everything is fine. Just some of us are objective enough to understand that it not the end of the world you are desperately trying to make it out to be.



All quotes a month + ago

#petethings

He wasn't wrong on some of his comments:

The virus was likely here earlier than thought and ever antibody test that has been done, even with faults, has at least an exponential factor of those who've already been effected. No one should be surprised by this weeks
later.

We aren't Italy as a country, heck, even NYC isn't Italy. We've actually have done quite well compared to several other countries. If you take NYC and NJ out of the equation we were remarkable compared to most of the world.

We were told 4 weeks ago and earlier to not wear masks, now they said we can choose to wear them, and some states are mandating it. The studies show you are more at risk to contract the virus with a mask on, but you are less likely to infect someone if you are contagious with a mask on.

Sweden seems to be getting it right, the more and more information that comes out. The stats were shared earlier in this thread where they have a lower percentage of excess expected deaths during this than most other countries. Although, with the models at the time, it was probably prudent that the US did to do these things in my opinion.

People were panicking, buying a years worth of toilet paper...This is highly, highly dangerous to the older population and way less for those young and healthy. Nursing homes have been hit harder than any other group.

It's not just the cold, it's similar to the flu for the YOUNG AND HEALTHY, and is more dangerous for those who are older and have underlying conditions. You had a valid point on this one, nowhere near a cold.

The media was playing it like the walking dead, and we would have hospitals overrun and people having to be chosen to live or die because of no ventilators. This wasn't even close to those scenarios or the end of the world or the Spanish Flu...

Pete was a little to dismissive of the virus, and you and the media appear to be way over estimating the effects of the virus. Somewhere in between was right and that seems to be where we are now as we open back up.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Who knows. Several members and a few mods have called his dangerous bullshit out yet when I do it 1 mod continues to warn both of us and then Pete goes the personal attack route called out by a few posters. Shit is jokes. Non political thread then links some shit to Glenn Beck lol

STOP, the video wasn't political and you are the one going over the edge with dangerous bullshit today... You want to shut down the country for a year and you're calling Pete dangerous.

We've linked the increase calls to Suicide hotlines, the huge uptick in Domestic violence calls, and the huge down tick in Child abuse cases with kids being confined to their homes during this stay at home period...

[Monticore]

This virus is weird , our inpatient who tested positive (admitted for renal failure) acquired bilateral pneumonia overnight it seemed like yet still never had any symptoms, he has now been discharged (2 negative tests) still has the bilateral pneumonia and still asymptomatic.

I wonder how many asymptomatic patients may has developed pneumonias and don't know it, this patients only got chest x-rays because of the admission.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Monticore

This virus is weird , our inpatient who tested positive (admitted for renal failure) acquired bilateral pneumonia overnight it seemed like yet still never had any symptoms, he has now been discharged (2 negative tests) still has the bilateral pneumonia and still asymptomatic.

I wonder how many asymptomatic patients may has developed pneumonias and don't know it, this patients only got chest x-rays because of the admission.

That's whats so crazy about this thing. We have no clue who has it, has had it etc.

Some get it, have no issues. Some get it and it's a death knell.