***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

So, do we think he's doing this because he needs that market cap to stay up so he can get that massive payout?

Nah, he's worth billions already, and he'll get the payout eventually, so I can't imagine he's motivated by personal wealth.

In terms of his actual stake in all of this, I think it's much more strongly driven by the fact that Tesla is a very cash poor company because they put every dollar they have into R&D and capital buildout. California is locking things down for the entire month of May at this point, and I'm sure that Tesla is losing a **** ton of productivity because of it.

But beyond that, he really is a hardcore libertarian, so this isn't out of the norm for him. For years he's railed against government subsidies for oil (which he sees as antithetical to the mission of getting people off of fossil fuels) and against the cost-plus contracts that ULA gets for space launches (which he sees as working against price competition).

Many people just don't follow him closely enough to notice.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Donger

No. Read that sentence again substituting "if" with "whether" and without the addition of "or not." Like I said, it wouldn't make any sense.

Consider yourself schooled, immigrant.

QED.

I did. Of course it would make sense. As I stated before, the "or not" part on which you seem to be so hung up is entirely optional and implied.

It's a poorly crafted sentence, that's for sure. Despite all that, it is still not a conditional one. Hence, the word "if" was used incorrectly.

I have been schooled actually. That's the reason I can point this out to you and make you a better writer going forward. Your hubris is rearing its ugly head but that's okay. Don't take it personally. Learn and move on.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by BWillie

South Korea with 9 new cases yesterday, after being a hot spot weeks ago. Why?

They wear masks. Everywhere.

That is all we have to do. That's it. Then you guys can go back to work. Whatever you want to do. Mandate masks. This is effectively over. Annoying? Sure. Just masks until vaccine.

That is an unfair disadvantage for those of us that are super handsome

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

That is an unfair disadvantage for those of us that are super handsome

Also if you wear glasses it may cause some fogging.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pants

I did. Of course it would make sense. As I stated before, the "or not" part on which you seem to be so hung up is entirely optional and implied.

It's a poorly crafted sentence, that's for sure. Despite all that, it is still not a conditional one. Hence, the word "if" was used incorrectly.

I have been schooled actually. That's the reason I can point this out to you and make you a better writer going forward. Your hubris is rearing its ugly head but that's okay. Don't take it personally. Learn and move on.

It's not implied. It's absent.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Also if you wear glasses it may cause some fogging.

Learn how to breathe right.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

Learn how to breathe right.

Sir breathing through your nose is not difficult.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Donger

It's not implied. It's absent.

It seems that way because it is a poorly crafted sentence.

It is not a conditional statement. Therefore, the word "if" does not belong there under any circumstance.

You would have to replace it with "whether" and, then, if you simply HAD TO HAVE the implied "or not" in there, you could tack it on to the end.

Of course it would sound like shit. Again, that would only be due to the fact you wrote a sentence that sounds like shit.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Ks reporting 500 new cases today?

Huge jump if so

Yeah, that has to be some sort of an anomaly or something. That is a huge jump. I will be curious to see where these all came from.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

It seems that way because it is a poorly crafted sentence.

It is not a conditional statement. Therefore, the word "if" does not belong there under any circumstance.

You would have to replace it with "whether" and, then, if you simply HAD TO HAVE the implied "or not" in there, you could tack it on to the end.

Of course it would sound like shit. Again, that would only be due to the fact you wrote a sentence that sounds like shit.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pants

It seems that way because it is a poorly crafted sentence.

It is not a conditional statement. Therefore, the word "if" does not belong there under any circumstance.

You would have to replace it with "whether" and, then, if you simply HAD TO HAVE the implied "or not" in there, you could tack it on to the end.

Of course it would sound like shit. Again, that would only be due to the fact you wrote a sentence that sounds like shit.

I'm not the one going on about implied magic words.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, that has to be some sort of an anomaly or something. That is a huge jump. I will be curious to see where these all came from.

Probably from those stupid protest

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Probably from those stupid protest

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm not the one going on about implied magic words.

There is nothing magical about optional, implied words.

What's the difference between the below sentences?

If I go to school and try my best, I will surely learn something.

If I go to school and try my best, then I will surely learn something.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

That is an unfair disadvantage for those of us that are super handsome

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