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06-08-2021, 11:51 AM | #2611 |
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None of our prospects have peed a drop so far this year. Kowar sucked and lost to a winless pitcher last night; Lynch had three ineffective starts and was sent back down. Hernendez has done squat. Isbell couldn't stick. We probably won't see Witt until next year, or as a September call up at best. Not much help from our farm system this year.
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06-08-2021, 11:59 AM | #2612 |
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Yeah I didn't see anything that resembles starter quality pitching from Kowar last night. He kinda reminds me of Mendoza but unfortunately worse.
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06-08-2021, 12:37 PM | #2613 |
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Oh man if only the Giants had you on board they would have been smart enough to abandon Tim Lincecum after he got ROCKED in his first career start.
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06-08-2021, 12:41 PM | #2614 |
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I saw Mendoza one time at Fogo De Chao. He didn't eat the steak with ketchup, so that explains why he sucks.
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06-08-2021, 12:53 PM | #2615 |
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[QUOTE=Chiefspants;15701302]Oh man if only the Giants had you on board they would have been smart enough to abandon Tim Lincecum after he got ROCKED in his first career start.[/QUOTE
It was just one night, I get that. He didn't get rocked, he threw multiple wild pitches that cost us runs. He was nowhere near ready for the Major Leagues. It was a mistake to call him up this early. Did I say we should move on? No I did not.
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06-08-2021, 01:08 PM | #2616 | |
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If a player with a sub-1.00 ERA and WHIP at AAA over a half-dozen starts at AAA, with consistent success at lower levels of the minor, exhibiting good control and flashing two plus pitches isn't ready for a shot at the major leagues, who is? Kowar had a rough beginning and didn't handle his debut well. That's all last night means. He could continue to struggle or he could work through his emotions and start performing to his potential. Look over to Detroit and the trends of Tarik Skubal's season for an example. He was awful his first few starts, adjusted to MLB a bit, and now is dominating.
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06-08-2021, 01:11 PM | #2617 | |
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06-08-2021, 01:13 PM | #2618 | |
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Where I'm holding out is in that first wave is that many of our young arms plateaued even before AAA, not even making it to the majors or underperformed when they did a few years late. The fact that this next generation is dominating in AAA and clearly have the stuff to be dominant is very encouraging. Them setting an MLB record for their draft class is a testament to how rare this class is (with an upside to be the staff of the 2015 Mets). If the worst case scenario is that we end up getting two #3 starters and two dominant bullpen arms, we'll be in great shape for the immediate future. Last edited by Chiefspants; 06-08-2021 at 02:17 PM.. |
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06-08-2021, 01:34 PM | #2619 | |
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They're drafting different types of players (More advanced college guys rather than HS guys with projectability and upside). They're developing them entirely differently (no square peg/round hole stuff anymore. No trying to hammer every pitcher into being a fastball/curve/changeup guy).
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06-08-2021, 01:40 PM | #2620 | |
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Our 2011 prospect list was *loaded* with quality pitching. Just look at this list: 4. Danny Duffy 5. Mike Monty 6. John Lamb 7. Jake Odorizzi 8. Jeremy Jeffress 9. Chris Dwyer 13 Louis Coleman 14. Aaron Crow 25. Will Smith 27. YORDANO VENTURA others: Greg Holland I defy anyone to find me another system that stacked with future MLB pitching talent. https://www.minorleagueball.com/2010...pects-for-2011 |
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06-08-2021, 01:46 PM | #2621 | |
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06-08-2021, 01:49 PM | #2622 |
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There are still lots of busts in there, but things wouldn't look nearly as bad if Yordano was still with us. That almost gets ignored sometimes. A young quality starting pitcher who was under team control.
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06-08-2021, 01:54 PM | #2623 | |
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Whenever I think about that draft, I think about the Moneyball scene with the scouts where the old scouts are all saying cliche things about players, except Moore and his executive team listen to them and take Russell and Watson. In my mind, that's also the guy that convinced them to take Christian Colon instead of Chris Sale.
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06-08-2021, 02:09 PM | #2624 |
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Wonder if he’s the same scout who brought us Gary Thurman, our top pick (Indianapolis North HS) in 1984 and top prospect a few years in BBA, who totally flamed out as a big leaguer
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