***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I may need to head down to North County because the shelves are mostly empty here in LA.

And there's no toilet paper to be found anywhere, same with napkins.

If you do, my advice would be to shop at the local neighborhood markets. Smart and Final, Walmart etc are all stocked with food, but you won't find toilet paper.

I was actually born and raised in Oceanside. My sister still lives up there but i havent been to North County in a year or two.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

If you do, my advice would be to shop at the local neighborhood markets. Smart and Final, Walmart etc are all stocked with food, but you won't find toilet paper.

I was actually born and raised in Oceanside. My sister still lives up there but i havent been to North County in a year or two.

At least here in KC the TP panic seems to have died down a bit or I’ve just been really lucky. Last couple of times I shopped about 1/3 of shelf slots were empty but the rest were fully stocked. Enough selection you didn't need to grab prison quality toilet paper

[sedated]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Why would you need it? Again on the Kansas side they have over 910 beds for the "spike" that are collecting dust. They have never been touched. They were more than ready.

There is little point in engaging Discuss in conversation, he will just be endlessly negative about everything and will only agree with the fact that the world is ending and we will all die a prolonged painful death.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Good news man, you can stay in your house as long as you want.

I went golfing twice already. I can go on the trails with my bike. Go to super market. Lots of things you can still do.

The only thing I miss is sports. That is it. States that open up too early are risking this being a larger outbreak than it needs to be potentially ruining the Chiefs and NFL opening in the fall.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by sedated

There is little point in engaging Discuss in conversation, he will just be endlessly negative about everything and will only agree with the fact that the world is ending and we will all die a prolonged painful death.

Laughable.

"Negative" is just you coping with the realistic situation that we're severely ****ed right now as a country. But go ahead being delusional bro.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Laughable.

"Negative" is just you coping with the realistic situation that we're severely ****ed right now as a country. But go ahead being delusional bro.

Like, should i take out a life insurance policy? Sell some cars? How ****ed are we talking?

[notorious]

Originally Posted by TLO

That many asymptomatic cases makes me think this thing is already everywhere. There's no containing it.

Yep.

What I am about to say will probably be the most despicable thing in this thread, but there’s a lot of truth.

I am going to remove all emotion.


It’s everywhere, and will kill off many elderly people. There are several economical benefits. Money will be passed on and spent by younger people, Medicare and Social Security will have a great load relieved from them.

The economy is going to have a massive boost simply due to the movement of somewhat previously stagnant money. A lot of property that old people have sat on will be sold.

It’s like the burning of a forest. It sucks, but it will grow back stronger than before.


I love my parents, and I don’t want their money. I want them around as long as possible.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Like, should i take out a life insurance policy? Sell some cars? How ****ed are we talking?

Well think about how bad the Great Depression was and extrapolate it to the current time.

And then add in the Russian mantra of "and then, things got worse."

And there you go. That's what we're looking at.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I may need to head down to North County because the shelves are mostly empty here in LA.

And there's no toilet paper to be found anywhere, same with napkins.

Aldi in Simi Valley has been reliable lately on TP, somewhat reliable on Paper Towels. Might be worth the trip. Try to go early, hoopleheads seem to clean it out as the day progresses. This is the one off of Tapo Canyon/Cochran. I haven't been out to the one off of Madera and the 118 for awhile. Oh, and there are limits (usually 1)

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Like, should i take out a life insurance policy? Sell some cars? How ****ed are we talking?

Heh. My friend that sales insurance said he had a huge boost in life insurance sales.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Well think about how bad the Great Depression was and extrapolate it to the current time.

And then add in the Russian mantra of "and then, things got worse."

And there you go. That's what we're looking at.

So i need to start rationing my bread. I'll keep that in mind tonight. Thanks.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I went golfing twice already. I can go on the trails with my bike. Go to super market. Lots of things you can still do.

The only thing I miss is sports. That is it. States that open up too early are risking this being a larger outbreak than it needs to be potentially ruining the Chiefs and NFL opening in the fall.

I don't think there will be sports this year and we all should start preparing ourselves for that unfortunately.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Went to our local butcher just a little bit ago and mother****ers are making a run on beef. I was lucky and got a couple of nice filets for this weekend and a couple of pounds of beef. People need to chill.

Where you go? Powells?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Where you go? Powells?

yep. love that place but it was getting really bare. Never seen it like that.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

yep. love that place but it was getting really bare. Never seen it like that.

I go there quite often. Great place.