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07-02-2019, 11:17 AM | #2626 |
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Not Kawhi news but Woj is reporting the 76ers have offered Ben Simmons a 5 year\$170M max deal. That is ****ing crazy does anybody think he is worth a max deal?
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07-02-2019, 11:25 AM | #2627 | ||
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Raptors can give him a 5 year\$190m contract any other team can give him 4 years\$140m but he could do a 1+ 1 with Toronto then hit FA again in 2021 and make $50 million more. Quote:
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07-02-2019, 11:39 AM | #2628 |
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07-02-2019, 12:46 PM | #2629 |
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Meanwhile Boogie can't even get a MLE
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07-02-2019, 12:57 PM | #2630 | |
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He's going to need to be more of a shooter moving forward and have less usage, but we've seen how important shooting is in this league.
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07-02-2019, 12:58 PM | #2631 | |
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I love the way Simmons plays. No ego. He plays the way Russell Westbrook should play. It's really a sight to behold. And he's only going to get better.
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07-02-2019, 01:14 PM | #2632 |
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If guys like Jamal Murray and Gordon Hayward are on the max then Ben absolutely should be.
Hes not close to the worst player on a max. That award goes to Chris Paul or John Wall |
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07-02-2019, 01:14 PM | #2633 |
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I'll take Westbrook over Simmons any day of the week. Simmons offensive game is pretty weak. He cant even shoot FTs well. He doesnt do anything great. Good overall player but max contract? No way is he worth that.
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07-02-2019, 01:19 PM | #2634 | ||
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If he could shoot the ball and actually make it past 5-10 ft then sure but this is kind of like giving a QB $100 million who can't pass. IMVHO of course. |
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07-02-2019, 01:30 PM | #2635 | |
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07-02-2019, 01:34 PM | #2636 | |
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Westbrook hurts his team so much by taking horrid bad shots over and over again. He's still a + to have on the Thunder, but the frustrating thing is if he just played with more discipline that is worth about 5 more Thunder wins a year. Not having him on the team is probably worth 13 more losses. So that is the frustrating part.
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07-02-2019, 01:49 PM | #2638 | |
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A 1+1 gets him nearly $70 million and when he hits the market in 2021 he'd be eligible for the 35% max that's probably going to get him in the $240 range over those 5 years IF the cap maintains a steady climb. It could be even more if it spikes again. Like I said, Toronto is a $300+ million over 7 years scenario for him and almost assuredly the most financially lucrative. More than anything, I'm curious how he could finagle a similar situation with the Lakers. He could take some risk and seemingly do even better if he wanted to by signing with LA. Evidently he can't get the full 5 year deal with LA if he signs a 1+1 but if he did a 2+1, he could probably get something like $110 million over those three years before signing a deal for probably about $250 million over the next 5. So over 8 years he'd make $360 million in that scenario vs. $300 millionish over 7 under the Toronto scenario. And as I've dug a little more it LOOKS like Kawhi could take a 1+1 with LAL and still have what amounts to full Bird rights under the Early Bird exception. It appears to me that after 2 years, an NBA team can re-sign it's own player for up to 175% of his previous salary while exceeding the cap. Obviously that won't be a problem because his salary will already be maxed. But I was partially right when I said that the major impediment would be the length. The Early Bird only allows for a 4 year deal. So a 1+1 would get him the same nearly $70 million he could get with Toronto over the next 2 and then in 2021 the Lakers could offer him the 35% max for 4 years rather than for 5. So now we have a 3rd option on the table - $70 million over 2 plus about $190 over 4 totalling roughly $260 million over 6 with LAL. So the LAL options appear to be the 2+1 setup for about $360 million over 8 years and he reaches FA at 36 years old or he could go with the 1+1 and $260 million over 6 years to reach FA at age 34. The most likely scenario with the Raptors then is either 5/$190 to reach FA at 33 (where he'd still be allowed a max deal thanks to the rule change allowing max contracts through age 38) or a 1+1+5 that would total roughly $310 million and put him in FA at 35. Honestly, the most money, least risk option may just be to sign a 5 year 30% max deal with Toronto right now (worth roughly $191 million) and if he maintains this level of play he could go get ANOTHER max deal, this time a 35% max, that could probably be worth another $280 million or so. The 'low risk' aspect is that he's locked in $191 million immediately. The high upside aspect is that he'll hit the market at juuuuuust a young enough age that he might be able to convince the Raptors to pony up another 5 year max to keep him in Toronto for the rest of his career. If he can, that's going to be over $550 in lifetime NBA earnings and it would crush Lebron's record (by then) of roughly $387 million. I guess the bottom line is that this is going to be monopoly money either way. Dude's gonna be rich beyond comprehension.
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07-02-2019, 01:52 PM | #2639 | |
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You ****ing serious, Clark? Ben Simmons has a ridiculous ego. Like, so bad that he submarined an entire program in college. He can't shoot and won't rebuild his stroke. What you call 'unselfish' is actually PEAK selfishness because his refusal to shoot means teams don't even pretend like they are going to guard him outside of 18 feet. He absolutely ruins spacing. His refusal to shoot isn't because he's Steve Nash out there seeing all the angles. It's because he sucks at it and is too proud to fix it. So he actively hurts his teammates by not being a credible threat to shoot. Ben Simmons may well get better, but he has to because the player he is right now can be no better than the 3rd or 4th best player on a championship team. The guy is all hat, no cattle.
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07-02-2019, 01:55 PM | #2640 |
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I don't think guys can become that much better shooters once they get to the league. Similar to my thoughts that a QB isn't going to become accurate once he gets to the NFL.
Maybe a slight improvement, but meh. |
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