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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***
![]() Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB. In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title. Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore. We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa. Now, let's talk about the offseason: LINK TO 2016-18 PAYROLL INFO COURTESY OF ROYALS REVIEW The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully). First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts. Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things. If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc. I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk. Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth? Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years. Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list). Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period. The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer. I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be: 1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160). Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura) 2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016. Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell. After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart. 3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season. 4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time. And, as always, here are the Prospects: Duncan’s Top 20 for 2016:
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All things considered, I'd rather have Kennedy. I knew they liked Leake from his draft year and figured they would have interest, especially with no draft comp attached. But Ian Kennedy is going to be a great fit in KC, I just wasn't confident they'd sacrifice a pick to sign him. Bold statement: I won't be surprised if he outperform Jordan Zimmermann this season. That Upton deal is so typical Mike Illitch. That crazy bastard really doesn't care what deficit he runs. Their bullpen and the back end of the rotation and defense everywhere but SS and CF still blow, though.
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Watching crazy ****s like Illitch and Ted Lerner give players these deals that they know they won't live to see the end of is irritating the hell out of me. Blowing salary scales apart because they simply don't care about the long-term consequences just isn't good for the game.
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I hope the Tigers enjoy their offseason championship trophy. I think I saw one of those at a souvenir store in Hollywood yesterday on sale for $4.99.
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On one hand, I can't help but appreciate it. It's how I think I would run things if I was that age and the one thing I couldn't actually buy was a championship for my team. Illitch, at least, has already lived to see the Victor Martinez and Justin Verlander deals become horrible albatross contracts. But yeah, on the other, the contracts some guys are getting... I try to remember that revenue is higher than ever and the players, even with huge deals, are getting a smaller piece of the pie than typical. Would rather see that extra 2-3 percent the owners are getting spread out to MiLB guys and pre-arbitration guys. I don't think upton's deal is way out of bounds or anything... Just typical that the Tigers would say "screw it, let's do something" after saying they were done.
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Don't forget they're still paying Fielder LOL.
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They have 2 more years of Miggy being a force and his contract is so long that they probably couldn't deal him even if they wanted to. They're so married to the core of this team that they might as well try to win while they have it. Whatever they try to do, 2018-2020 is going to suck. There's just no way to dodge that bullet, IMO. Knowing that, they might as well do everything they can to win in 2016 and 2017. If the Royals really can't get guys like Moose and Hosmer to re-sign after 2017, the AL Central is going to be a shitshow. The only team I can see that would seem to have a strong core through that time is the Twins and even that is going to require some substantial growth by Buxton, Sano and Arcia. I guess its possible that the division could open up for Cleveland if Lindor progresses and Brantley/Kipnis are able to hold it together for another 3-4 years. That pitching staff is nasty. Fortunately for the Royals, they have the players, they just need to keep this team together. If they can, they're in a beautiful position to own the central for another 5 years.
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Why would any AL team not go for it this year? There's incredible parity (as opposed to the NL) and you can always sell at the deadline anyway, as Detroit did last year.
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And once you get to October, it's mostly just a crapshoot anyway. If they manage to get to 88-90 wins (not at all unlikely with Minnesota and Cleveland appearing to be in a down cycle) and have Miggy, Upton and V-Mart healthy in October, they're as dangerous as anybody in a short series. Add in Martinez and Kinsler (maybe even Castellenos) and suddenly you go 6 deep with pretty uncomfortable ABs for most pitchers. They have a team that can get there with the addition of Zimmermann and Upton. Then all they need is to be hot at the right time. There's been several less likely champions over the last 10 years than the Tigers would be should they win it starting with the most unlikely of all, the 2006 Cards. Both of the 14 teams were pretty damn shocking. The Mets winning the pennant in 15. The Rangers, Rays, Rockies and Tigers have all had pretty surprising pennant winners of their own over the last several years and the Giants 2012 team is still one of the damndest teams I can recall (look at the roster, not the record. Bochy is a ****ing wizard).
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Cleveland down cycle, Kipnis on the Tigers? I.e. Kinsler?
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