***Official 2020 STL Cardinals Thread***

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

No major league regular is seeing fewer fastballs right now than Dylan Carlson. That’s a lot of respect for a player just starting out.

— Eno Sarris (@enosarris) August 19, 2020

Like I said:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That first pitch slider w/ the bases loaded had him looking real green.

I'm betting Carlson never once saw a guy walk the bases loaded in the minors and then throw a first pitch slider at the knees.

You get 1st pitch fastballs in AAA.

The advanced scouts noticed how he'd attack them and clearly aren't going to let him ambush their guys.

He needs to get a new plan up there because they're still pitching him backwards and until he can punish them for it, they're not going to stop.

[Marco Polo]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Like I said:



You get 1st pitch fastballs in AAA.

The advanced scouts noticed how he'd attack them and clearly aren't going to let him ambush their guys.

He needs to get a new plan up there because they're still pitching him backwards and until he can punish them for it, they're not going to stop.

Isn't it great talking about a stud rookie hitter and watching the growth? We didn't get this opportunity with Oscar.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Isn't it great talking about a stud rookie hitter and watching the growth? We didn't get this opportunity with Oscar.

Well, I mean, we got EXACTLY this much opportunity with Oscar...

{knocks on all the wood}

[Marcellus]

It only took about 6 tries but finally the Cards took advantage of a bases loaded situation. Marp hit a GS in the 1st.

[Marcellus]

Cards bats are booming game 1 today so I predict a shut out in game 2.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Cards bats are booming game 1 today so I predict a shut out in game 2.

I've learned something in this series.

The Cubs, record be damned....kinda suck. They have on reliable pitcher, all those young guys like Almora and Happ and Schwarber are pretty shitty. Bryant seems to openly loathe the entire organization. Their pitching staff got really damn old really damn fast.

Over 162 games they'd win maybe 75 games. That is NOT a good baseball team.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've learned something in this series.

The Cubs, record be damned....kinda suck. They have on reliable pitcher, all those young guys like Almora and Happ and Schwarber are pretty shitty. Bryant seems to openly loathe the entire organization. Their pitching staff got really damn old really damn fast.

Over 162 games they'd win maybe 75 games. That is NOT a good baseball team.

I wouldn't argue that, they have feasted on bad teams as well. If not for damn implosion in game 2 Monday we would be taking 3 of 5 minimum from these guys and maybe 4 of 5.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I wouldn't argue that, they have feasted on bad teams as well.

I just kinda missed it happening.

Last year seemed like a weird one-off or something. But it wasn't - this is maybe the 7th or 8th most talented team in the NL.

In no particular order I'd take the Braves, Phillies, Gnats, Dodgers, D-Backs and Padres over them without hesitation. I could be talked into the Reds and Rockies pretty easily. If Carlson develops, I'd take the Cardinals as well due to their supply of arms.

The Cubs are gonna be a middling or worse team for the next few years.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I just kinda missed it happening.

Last year seemed like a weird one-off or something. But it wasn't - this is maybe the 7th or 8th most talented team in the NL.

In no particular order I'd take the Braves, Phillies, Gnats, Dodgers, D-Backs and Padres over them without hesitation. I could be talked into the Reds and Rockies pretty easily. If Carlson develops, I'd take the Cardinals as well due to their supply of arms.

The Cubs are gonna be a middling or worse team for the next few years.

The Cards AAA team gave them all them can handle over 6 games, so yea they are overrated.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've learned something in this series.

The Cubs, record be damned....kinda suck. They have on reliable pitcher, all those young guys like Almora and Happ and Schwarber are pretty shitty. Bryant seems to openly loathe the entire organization. Their pitching staff got really damn old really damn fast.

Over 162 games they'd win maybe 75 games. That is NOT a good baseball team.

League has passed them up.

It's the Red Sox v2 for Theo. He knows how to build them. He doesn't know how to sustain it. It's been 3 years now of "time to judge performance and not potential." And its been 3 years of hedging on potential.

Last years offseason move was to trade La Stella because he couldn't play SS and cost too much money. To fix the problem that La Stella was the cause of they signed Daniel Descalso who equally cant play SS and has managed a whopping career WAR of 1 and paying him MORE than La Stella.

After failing to make the playoffs again, it was "things are going to change." I really cant think of a single name off the top of my head that actually changed besides losing guys like Strop. The lineup outside of Rizzo and Hoerner, who is like a poor version of a young Starlin Castro, is the same hitter... all or nothing.

[DJ's left nut]

I regret to inform you that Hoerner is probably going to be a slightly better version of Darwin Barney when he grows up.

I remember watching that draft (the Royals Kowar/Singer draft and our Gorman draft) and by the time the draft was done I think the Cubs had failed to take a single player inside baseball america's top 150. I've never just looked at a draft and been so completely unable to understand it.

It was so bizarre that it made me question if I was the idiot.

And yet to this point, most of the guys I thought would be good look pretty good and Nico Heorner has never looked like anything more than the 5th best player on a playoff team.

He's a complementary player through and through and near as I can tell he's easily the crown jewel of the Cubs farm system.

That's...not great. I mean from a defensive versatility standpoint he's more useful than a guy like Max Schrock (who can't play anywhere but 2b) but guys like that are pretty fungible guys.

[jd1020]

Dont think Hoerner was ever touted as a star. He was drafted because he can put bat to ball with gap power and mediocre defense. That's legitimately Starlin Castro while sacrificing a little power for more speed on the bases. He swings at the same garbage that Castro did simply because he can hit it resulting in a lot of soft contact and easy outs.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Dont think Hoerner was ever touted as a star. He was drafted because he can put bat to ball with gap power and mediocre defense. That's legitimately Starlin Castro while sacrificing a little power for more speed on the bases. He swings at the same garbage that Castro did simply because he can hit it resulting in a lot of soft contact and easy outs.

My buddy the Cubs fan, who was certain that Almora was going to be Kenny Loftin 2.0, has Hoerner as the next Jeter.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

My buddy the Cubs fan, who was certain that Almora was going to be Kenny Loftin 2.0, has Hoerner as the next Jeter.

IMO, best case he's the all star version of Jean Segura. Only problem is he plays for the Cubs who dont believe in stealing bases so his speed wont ever be utilized.

[BigRedChief]

You guys hear Jimmy and Dan talking about the Cardinals not wanting to start the Service time clock with Oviedo. Didn’t want to call him up.

Does he have that much upside that we should be concerned about him wanting a $150 million contract in 6 years? Or was that just the homer hype coming out of the front office?